40ac&amule

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Consensus and edit warring

Hi 40ac&amule - welcome again to Wikipedia. Please take some time to read the stuff in the links in the welcome message I just left for you. I "watch" the Organic farming article, and what you have been doing there is called edit warring (please read that) and is behavior that can get you blocked. When there are disagreements about editing, we talk, on the Talk page associated with the article. Every article here has a "Talk" page -- this is yours. On an article, you get to the Talk page by clicking the "tab" that says "Talk" near the upper left hand corner of the article.

There are a bunch of what we call policies and guidelines, that the community has built up over the years that govern both content and behavior, that keep this place from becoming a Mad Max-style ugly garbage dump. The fundamental one is WP:CONSENSUS which basically says, when you disagree, talk about it. So please stop edit warring, and start talking at the article Talk page. Oh - wanted to add, that as the person introducing the content that others are disagreeing with the burden is on you to stop edit warring and open a discussion. This is described in WP:BRD (please read that). Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 22:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi I made math conversions to acres. Feel free to provide a reason as to why these are "redundant" or why one error warrants blanket deletion of all the others, or why no conversions are preferable, in contravention of the style guide, and, presumably, based on my interactions with a metric-minded entomologistwith a political agenda against pesticides and other cost-saving inventions, and a Brit with a considerable history of bias against pro-Imperial shopkeepers. Not sure why the latter has any business chiming in, as he obviously just want to suppress acres from speech like pounds of bananas, there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 40ac&amule (talk • contribs) 23:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Quick note on Wikipedia logistics, or maybe better, etiquette. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense.

And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages. That is how we know who said what. Will reply on the substance in a second...Jytdog (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

You are making arguments about your edits, about the content. My message to you, was about your behavior - your edit warring. This place is not a Mad Max world where you can behave however you want, and add any kind of content you want. Please don't argue with me about the content - please discuss whether the article should mention acres, as well as hectacres, on the article's Talk page. I just wanted to let you know that if you continue edit warring, you are going to get blocked. Not a great way to get started here.... Good luck! Jytdog (talk) 23:18, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

..Hi. The third edit was made. By the other party, no? I stopped after that. Respectfully if you didn't look at the CONTENT, to see if it is worthy, why are you blindly assuming I am in the wrong and threatening to blocl me? Please evaluate my work. Only fair. 40ac&amule (talk)

comment from 40acre left at my talk page cut and pasted here Jytdog (talk) 23:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I apologize, there is a time delay as I work from a mobile device witha 5 square inch, SD screen. I reached out to both parties, multiple times and asked for their reasons for reversion, receiving only vagueries. Please feel free to check my work, rounded with significant figures and space in mind, using the base value of 2.4710538 acres per hectare as a base value before conversion. Look at my handle and judge the controversy of my work (I have real work) not my newness. Also be advised I intend to report a very obvious cadre of people trying to suppress any use of "acre." Bizarre. Canada and UK and NZ still use acres and this is English wikipedia. 40ac&amule (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:39, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if you are aware, but we can all see each others' contributions. yours are here: Special:Contributions/40ac&amule. What I see there is one fairly combative post at one user's Talk page, a post on another editor's page that is pretty combative, saying you "reported" the editor (not sure what you meant, and don't see that you did). and then a second note on that editor's talk page, saying you will make some report on Monday if they don't back off. None of that is very dialogue oriented. No discussion at the article' talk page which is where other interested editors could join the discussion. If you do decide to "report" anybody, it will likely WP:BOOMERANG on you. You are new here - please learn the Wikipedia way and talk, don't fight. Please.

NB - I opened a discussion here, because I wanted to tell you about how Wikipedia works and warn you about your behavior - that is what editor Talk pages are for. Article talk pages are we work out content issues. Which is why I am not discussing the content with you here. Jytdog (talk) 23:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Conversions

Rather than doing the sums yourself it's usually easier to use the {{convert}} template. For converting hectares to acres it's very simple: just {{convert|100|ha}} will produce "100 hectares (250 acres)" (because when asked to convert hectares, the template by default will convert them into acres; it also round the figures sensibly). The "convert" parameter has a powerful set of options for the units, the format of the display, the rounding, even the order of the display ("display=flip"). The figure which is put into the template should be the one which is supplied by the source cited. I hope this helps in your troubles over Organic farming. I've used the template in the sentence about 75% of US organic farms. As a new editor, please take some time to learn how things work - you can see a lot of uses of the "convert" template in that article and could have picked up the method from there before putting in so much work to doing your own conversions. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey. Happy Editing. PamD 07:15, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

40ac&amule, you are invited to the Teahouse!

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Edit war warning

If you mess with units again on the Organic farming article without discussing on the article talk page, I am taking you to 3RR. I tried speaking with you nicely above. If you will not listen to reason, out comes the stick.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Organic farming. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Jytdog (talk) 19:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

You aren't looking at what is being done. Sloppy, careless reversions. If I make 20 conversions and one is wrong, that is reason to revert all twenty??? 40ac&amule (talk)

No WONDER most people get discouraged and leave. No thanks for work, frequent deletions. If I am working for this page, for free, you can at least treat me with some respect and give me the benefit of the doubt that I am donating my time constructively. It is not wise to "punish" VOLUNTEERS like they are paid employees. 40ac&amule (talk)