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Pherecydes of Athens

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Pherecydes Fragments
Fr. Source #
1 Schol. Pind. Nem 4.81c
1 Schol. Eur. Andr. 17
2 Marcelloinus, Vita Thuc. 2
3 Schol. Pind Pyth 3.59
4 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1091
5 Steph. Byz. s.v. Ὑ...
6 = fr. 172A
7 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 2.1248-50a
8 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 1.1212-19a
9 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 1.146-9a
10 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1091
11 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1515a
12 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1091
13 Ath. 11.49 p. 474f
14 Schol. Pind. Isthm. 4.104g
15a Schol. Ap. Rhod. 2.992
15b Schol. Ap. Rhod. 2.373-6a
15c Schol. Ap. Rhod. 2.990
16a Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1396-9b
16b Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1396-9c
16c [Eratosth.] Cat 3
16d Schol. Eur. Hipp. 742
17 Schol. Ap. Rhod. 4.1396-9b
18a Ath. 11.39 p. 470c
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Φ 216

Of Athens, older than the one from Syros, who, it is said, collected the writings of Orpheus. He wrote Earth-born [Men], a work about the ancient history of Attica in ten books; Exhortations in hexameters. Porphyrios accepts no one older than the earlier [of these two Pherekydes'], and considers him the sole inventor of [prose] composition.[1]
Notes:
FGrH 3 T2. See also phi 214 (with more extensive notes and references) and phi 217; OCD4 Pherecydes(2).
[1] FGrH 260 F21. (Eusebius put him in Olympiad 81.1: 456 BCE.)

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Bollansée edit

1999

p. 227 n. 262

262 Since Jacoby ... refuted the thesis that 'Pherekydes' was a collective name for all anonymous early Ionian prose-writing, it has generally been accepted by modern scholarship that this Pherkeydes is to be distinguished from at least four other bearers of that name, the most famous of whom is the genealogist Pherkedes of Athens (FGrHist 3). There is, admittedly, one dissenter: D.L. Toye, in his article ... his arguments are not fully convincing, ... he fails, for instance, ...

Fowler 1999 edit

Fowler 2013 edit

pp. 291–299

pp. 706–710 [in folder]

p. 708

specific connections with Kimon which, as Huxley persuasively argued, is the best evidence we have of Pherkydes' floruit, c.465 (Huxley, [cont.]

p. 709

'The Date of Pherekedys of Athens':->16.3.1)

Gantz edit

p. xv

With the emergence of prose in the late sixth century such [mythological] handbooks [as the Catalogue of Women] took on the look of early history, ... Two names in particular which we know of are Akousilaos of Argos, wriing perhaps at the end the century, and Pherekydes of Athens (not to be confused with the Presocratic philosopher from Syros), who produced his account in the early part of the fifth century.

Hawes edit

2017

p. 250

About 465 BC Phercedes of Athens wrote the most important work of prose before Herodotus. His ten books of mythography amounted to an encyclopedia of traditional tales, but survive only in fragmentary, later references. ...
12 For details, see Fowler ... Phercedes of Athens and Phercedes of Syros, whose work is discussed in Suksi, Chapter 11 of this volume, pp. 209-10, are two different authors; see Fowler (1999).

Huxley edit

p. 137

In his article on Pherekydes the Athenian, Felix Jacoby discussed amongst other matters, the problem of the historians date.1 Since Pherkydes in his Historai or Genealogiai was largely concerned with heroic pedigrees, ... The purpose of this essay is to show that a later date for the historian's lirerary activity is preferable, because he fits well into a Kimonian context.


1 "The First Athenian Prose Writer," Mnemosyne SER. III 13 (1947) 13-46 ...

Jacoby edit

p. 15

Ihe evidence is quite clear: it ascribes only one work to each writer; to the Syrian a treatise, probably not a very lengthy one, which accoriding to what we know of its contents we should describe as thelogical or (there is no real difference) philosphical; to the Athenian a rather bulky work, divided by the ancient editors into ten books, which from the likewise later titles—Γενελογίαι or Ἱστορίαι—we have to regard as historical in the ancient sense of the word 8).

Bertelli edit

p. 88 n. 66

66 Contra Jacoby's dating between 508/7 and 476/5 ('The first Athenian Prose Writer') [n. 28], Pherecydes of Athens' work is now generally dated 480-460, in any case later than Hecataeus' Genealogies: see H. T. Wade, ... G. Huxley ...

Munn edit

p. 48

I am persuaded by the arguments of David Yoye 1997, who identifies Pherecydes of Syros, the cosmographer, and Pherecydes of Athens, the genealogist, as one and the same person. Felix Jacoby (1947) argued for the separation of the two, supporting the segregation of the cosmological fragments of Pherecydes by Diels and Krantz ... and grouping the genealogical fragments as the works of a mythographer in FGrHist 3. ...

Sweeney edit

p. 47

Pherecydes is even more problematic than Herodotus on this point. There is some uncertainty regarding the identity of Pherecydes [of Athens], or more accurately, the various authors known as Pherkcydes.5 Debate focuses on whether Pherecydes of Syros (a philosopher) can be equated with Pherecydes of Athens, the genealogical writer whose work is discussed in this book. The Suda also mentions the existence of a Pherecydes of Leros, and Island within Miesian territory. This Pherecydes is said to have written a local history of his native island Leros as well as several mythological works. It remains uncertain whether this Pherecydes may have actually existed, when he may have been active, and whether he may have been the same as the [cont.]

p. 48

Athenian Pherecydes. Given the comparable subject matter of the Athenian and Lerian authors, it is possible that Pherecydes may have originally come from Leros and later moved to live and work in Athens.
5 The question has been discussed relatively recently in Toye 1997 and Fowler 1999, who present opposing views on the subject, See also Morrison 2011a.

Purves edit

2010

p. 100 n. 11

11 I agree with the majority of scholars in assuming that Phercydes of Syros (a mythographer) is a different person to Pherecydes the Athenian (a historian). See further Jacoby 1947; Toye 1997; R. L. Fowler 1999.

Tomas edit

p. 209

Pherekydes of Athens (c. 500/490)