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Finnish royalty edit
Please slow down on adding such categories to pages. Yes, Russian royals were of the family of the Grand Duke of Findland, but they were also Norwegian heirs, German nobles, etc. Charles 20:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- You may request a block if you choose, because I am satisfied that I edit with the intent to improve Wikipedia. Categories of Finnish Royalty should not be included in all Russian imperial articles because it applies just as much as adding categories for Norwegian heirs, Princes of the Holy Roman Empire, German nobility, etc. Do the Russian royals even use a Finnish princely title? It is the same situation as Germany/Prussia. Only the monarch had the title, not everyone else. Charles 20:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Charles's edits are correct. Where royalty have titles in multiple states they are mnot given multiple categories. Otherwise the categorisation system would be reduced with a mess, with many royals having vast numbers of pointless categories. Charles is quite correct in his edits. If he hadn't done so, any other user who came across the categories would have deleted them. FearÉIREANN
\(caint) 21:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- my reply, at Jtdirl's talk page, is: You are certainly incorrect. It is unthinkable that, for example, George I of Greece would not have a category linkin him to Danish royalty, amd another to link him to Greek royalty. Please think first before alleging something that is manifestly incorrect. Finlandais 21:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Wrong. Denmark and Greece had their own Royal Houses, so George I of course was in both. There was no Finnish Royal House so we cannot attach links implying a mythical Finnish Royal House when one did not exist. Finnish titles were used by members of the Russian Imperial House. Wikipedia does not attach categories to people who were not a member of a country's Royal House but who simply had use of a title. Any such categorisation are automatically deleted and categories created put up for deletion. Please follow Wikipedia rules like everyone else. FearÉIREANN
\(caint) 22:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Loudoun edit
I am not at all certain that Loudoun is not descended from Mary Tudor and the Duke of Suffolk. What I am certain of is that he is not their genealogical representative. He is the genealogical representative of George, Duke of Clarence, and the argument that he is the "rightful king" is based on the idea that Edward IV was illegitimate (ignoring, of course, the fact that Henry VII's claim to the throne was based on conquest and his Lancastrian descent more than it was based on his marriage to Elizabeth of York), not the idea that James I couldn't ascend the throne because he was a Scot. john k 11:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, there are two possibilities - who is heir if Lady Catherine Grey's marriage to the Earl of Hertford was valid, and who is heir if it was not. In the first case, it's pretty clear - it goes through that marriage down to, iirc, Lady Kinloss. In the latter case, it goes through the descendants of Eleanor Brandon. According to this, the heir of the body of Eleanor Brandon is apparently the Earl of Jersey. The Earl of Loudoun's claim is entirely separate. john k 11:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
revert of List of Finnish monarchs edit
imho. it is a good practise to have both names as a. they are their original ruler names (and the finnish ones are often just mitned in modern day history writing), and Swedish is a Finnish language just as much as Finnish is (especially in those days). I don't feel the list becomes too cluttered. Gillis 22:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well "Finnish" (as in the name of the article) relates to the country Finland, which has two languages, Finnish and Swedish. And i disagree with the cluttering as they do not impose line breaks allmost anywhere. Gillis 22:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
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