Template talk:Turkic peoples

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Someone report this user on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. He should be banned from this topic (any Turkic, Euroasian, and related historical articles). --188.158.116.74 (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sock puppet. Madyas (talk) 10:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

June 2020 changes

@Wario-Man and Kypioys sx:: Would you like to discuss which articles should be linked from this template? I am not an expert on Turkic peoples. I reverted because most links in this version lead to disambiguation pages. Some don't even contain a relevant entry: which Tofa is a Siberian people? About one third of the links do lead to articles and most seem relevant, but others such as Tuba clearly are not. To a layman, the previous version seems much better. Certes (talk) 09:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of Hazaras

@HistoryofIran:, this template lists Turkic peoples. Below of the main list, there's another section called "Others". Origin of Hazaras is unclear, so we cannot add them into main list. The Hazaras wikipage mentions of this debate in the Origins section. Joseph (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

The section mentions that they're mixed. Still, that does not make them a Turkic, Mongol, or Iranian people unless WP:RS says so. "Others" is vague and can give a false account of what they are - the template is ultimately named "Template:Turkic peoples", which they're not. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

"Others" means related. If we had enough RS, then we would include them in the main list. If you search Google Scholar, there are lots of arguments on this debate. Joseph (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

No, "Others" mean "Others", and "Related" still gives a false impression considering they have mixed origin of three ethnic groups, especially when the Hazaras don't speak a Turkic language. If there are so many WP:RS, by all means, please cite a WP:RS that says they're an ethnic Turkic group. Two prominent sources; EI3 [1] and Iranica [2] don't support this. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

We can add a "Mixed" section. Or rename Others to "Others/Mixed" Joseph (talk) 17:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

So let me get this right.. you want to add the Hazaras, a people who are not an ethnic Turkic group, who is a mix of three different ethnicities (Turkic, Mongol, Iranian), and don't even speak a Turkic language, under "Others/Mixed" in a Template named "Turkic people"..? Let me come with an example so you can get an idea of flawed this sounds. If someone finds a WP:RS that states that Turkish people have some Greek or Anatolian ancestry, do we add them under Template:Greek people or Template:Anatolian peoples? HistoryofIran (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Joseph: Ping. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Turkic peoples don't generally share similar DNAs. Some regions of Anatolian Turks are closer to Greeks than Sakha Turks. Mughals are also a mixed ethnicity. What I'm saying is, if an ethnicity is related to Turkic people, then we should include it in this template. Maybe we need opinions from other people. Adding recent edditors. @Beshogur:, @Arctic Circle System:, @Elebayev:. Joseph (talk) 16:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Anatolian Turks aren't even remotely close to mainland Greeks. Beshogur (talk) 20:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Joseph: I'm not making any claims, it was just an example. Can you please answer my questions? HistoryofIran (talk) 21:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Joseph: Last attempt at pinging you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I already expressed my position. I believe we have reached an impasse here. Adding an RFC.Joseph (talk) 19:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

You never answered my questions, and I have had to ping you several times for you to finally reply. This is what is called WP:STONEWALLING. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Should the Hazaras people be included in this template, a navbox? This RfC was malformatted, so I'm assuming this is what @Joseph—the guy who opened this RfC—meant to do. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Question: Is there precedent in another navbox of a mixed group being included/excluded? Aaron Liu (talk) 21:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Editors should establish the general criteria for inclusion first before taking on Hazaras specifically. CurryCity (talk) 10:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think an ethnic group should be included unless they are specifically designated as being x ethnic group by WP:RS, and the Hazaras are not designated as a Turkic ethnic group. Just because they have some Turkic blood out of 2 others (Iranian, Mongolian), Joseph for some reason wants them included as a "Turkic peoples". I did present an example of how flawed this logic is on 17:18, 18 September 2024, yet Joseph avoided addressing it. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)