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While it is true that the "Celtic cross is also used by millions of mainstream Protestants", I can't think of another image more appropriate for neo-fascism generally. It has been used by the broadest spectrum of groups (from far-right nationalists, to neo-Nazis, to Third Positionists, to the "White Power!" variations). The particular image is a "nationalistic stylized Celtic cross", not the Christian's (with the extended lower arm).
- I'd say the Celtic Cross is far more strongly associated with Roman Catholicism than Protestantism. You'll see loads of them in Ireland, where they are seen as a purely Christian symbol without any baggage. (Jmc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
That millions of people in, and from, Asia use the swastika, and that you can see a fasces in the U.S. House of Representatives on C-SPAN every day, doesn't disqualify our use of them as symbols of fascism. —Morning star 16:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC).
- I dunno, I kind of prefer the cartoony fasces to the Celtic cross. The fasces are more representative of Fascism whereas the Celtic cross is more representative of Neo-Nazism. However, the Template is primarily a list of Neo-Nazi groups right now. - DNewhall
The Christian Celtic cross with the extended lower-arm is a different symbol. The symbol featured here in the Neo Fascism template is Odin's Cross, or the Sun cross. Either way the symbol is ancient and existed long before Neo-Fascism and carries absolutely no historical relation to Fascism of any kind. I strongly protest the use of the Sun Cross as a symbol for Neo-Fascism on Wikipedia. The fact that the symbol is popular with fascists is yet another case of highjacking and vandalism of an ancient symbol. The Nazi Flag at least was distinctive from the traditional swastika, while the use of the Sun Cross is blatant theft. Please do not contribute to the destruction of this symbol by encouraging the association of this "oldest and most universal religious symbols" ( Sun cross ) with FASCISM! The fasces is far more appropriate as it is an ACTUAL symbol of fascism and not an ancient symbol highjacked by Neo-Fascists. Americaneinherjer, 6 June 2006
The swastika is also an ancient symbol, but I can't think of anything more appropriate for Nazism (the nazi flag is not distinctive from the traditional swastika at all). The Fasces is the symbol of Italian Fascism, not Neo-Fascism. The symbol used by Neo-Fascists is the Celtic Cross, not the Fasces. Mitsos 19:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
If a symbol for neo-fascism can't be agreed upon, then there shouldn't be one. I see no evidence the sun cross/celtic cross is anywhere close to being widely recognized as a symbol of neo-fascism. Some groups use it, but many more apparently do not. Choosing some groups' symbol over others without good reason introduces a bias. Sχeptomaniacχαιρετε 16:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed 'Muslim Brotherhood' from the list of neo-fascist political parties, owing to both a lack of Wikipedia and external content identifying them as such (compared to the other groups on the list).
While it is certainly popular to identify alleged 'Islamofascists', the topic at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascist#Islam makes it fairly clear that, at the very least, the term itself is contentious and should not be applied without some clear evidence or citation.
I've shortened the template. This is not a place to include political movements or parties. Neither do specific neo-Nazi elements pertain to neo-fascism proper. Intangible 23:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It's not? I'll agree that it needs to be trimmed down but you've removed pretty much all the content from the template. - DNewhall
- That's because it at all pretty much referenced elements of neo-Nazi movements. For the political parties, a list of post WWII fascist parties can be made of course. Intangible 23:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Mossadeq and the National Front (Iran)
Mossadeq was anti-colonialist, anti-monarchy and given the content of Operation Ajax, Mohammed Mossadeq and National Front (Iran), i see nothing either of ideological similarity or historical connections to classify him and the National Front with Third Positionists. If someone has some reliable sources showing that Mossadeq was judged to be a Third Positionist, please first integrate the information into that article, wait for people to NPOV it, and once consensus is obtained, then you could put him back into this template. Boud (talk) 08:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The dark grey headings make it hard to see the dark blue "show" links that expand the sections. I don't know of any way around this other than to change the colors. We can either lighten the gray, or invert the colors entirely and use gray (or black) lettering against a white or light gray background. Any other ideas? Will Beback talk 21:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)