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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

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X-Men Gold, X-Men Blue edit

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Created by Argento Surfer (talk) and Jericoezekiel (talk). Nominated by Argento Surfer (talk) at 12:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC).

I wanted to like this but find that the content needs an extensive rewrite. There's just about nothing in there about the original X-Men Blue/Gold teams and instead we just have an extended plug/trailer for a remake which seems to contravene WP:NOTADVERTISING. For example, the source which supports the hook is just a rehash of a product announcement which was written in advance of publication. Note also the extensive coverage of the sacking of one of the artists which seems to be a significant BLP issue and contravenes WP:DYK guidelines, "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." Andrew D. (talk) 22:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: Why would there be lots in the articles about the original teams? These aren't remakes - they're new books that came out in April starring new teams that happen to be named after the ones from 20 years ago. Heaven forbid a source stating an unchanging fact be dated prior to release, right? There's also not "extensive" coverage about a firing. There's coverage about a controversy that was reported in The Atlantic and the LA Times. The firing is exactly one line, which says the artist was fired. That's not extensive or undue focus.
I also take issue with you calling these advertisements. Could you please explain that? There's no puffery - the sole content discussing reception is a single line that flatly states their average score from a review aggregator. I re-read them, and I also don't see anything that's not objective. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:33, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I hear what you say but don't agree. As the articles have not been improved significantly, my review rating is unchanged. Andrew D. (talk) 15:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm unclear on what significant improvement you want. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I don't have the time for a full review at the moment, but I find it patently absurd to call this a BLP violation. That controversy was huge; enough that I heard about it, and I do not take any interest in comic books, as a rule. It is presented neutrally, is only about 30% of the prose in the article, and is sourced. Anything else would be a violation of WP:NPOV. Vanamonde (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Second opinion needed. Original reviewer seems uninterested in explaining or reconsidering his concerns. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @Argento Surfer: Articles are new enough (blue: new; gold: former redirect), long enough, neutral, no copyvios found, QPQs done. Above concerns don't seem to be an issue; the controversy is valid, citing to a press release doesn't make the WP articles themselves press pieces, and the fact that a new series is inspired by an old series doesn't mean one shouldn't focus on the new series instead. Three relatively minor issues:
  • Both articles state that "The new titles were announced October 16, 2016," yet I don't see that date in the sources. One of the sources links to a Marvel announcement, which is dated the 21st.
  • I've changed the date to the 21st. Not sure how I mixed that up... Argento Surfer (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Both articles state that "subsequent issues were released twice monthly," but I don't see mentions to them being issued twice monthly (or bi-weekly) in the sources.
  • Source added that specifies the release schedule. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • How about adding a list per article with the eight gold/blue issues, their numbers, release dates, and so on? Incidentally, this could demonstrate that they are, indeed, issued twice monthly. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • This will take me a little bit. I'm not super proficient with tables, but I'm sure I can get one made up. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Looks good. I still recommend adding the tables when you get a chance—it shouldn't be too hard, and once you have one you can just copy its structure over to the other article—but the nomination is good to go. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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