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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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Wang Bingzhang
Wang Bingzhang

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 2 February 2018 (UTC).

  • On it.

     New enough; long enough [~4.8k elig. chars.]; Earwig finds no copyvio; probably about as well-sourced as possible in English and well written without any of the POVy tone situations like this lend themselves to; I always prefer {{chinese}} infoboxes (allows Wade, &c., more easily and avoids the malformatted semicolons of {{zh}}) and have started adding External links to the Baidu Baike and Baike.com articles on Chinese topics, but I'll just leave that for Zanhe to consider since we were having some issues earlier. Apologies on my end, and happy Spring Festival. =) 

    QPQ still needed.

    As far as the hook, it all checks out except for the without being charged of a crime part. The People's Daily explicitly accuses him of involvement in the Lin Biao conspiracy; Phoenix News just says he was held, using his daughter as its source; China's Space Program similarly just says he was arrested, although not on the linked page, so I might be missing something there. Now, they didn't prosecute him when he got out (saw that) but is there one of the sources that explicitly says that he was never charged with a crime while being held? I'd imagine something like "sedition", "treason", &c. related to Mao's fears about the clique around Lin Biao could easily have been made or mooted, even though they never got the evidence to finalize the sentence with a judge. If I didn't miss something (easily possible: just explain if I'm missing something from the Chinese sources) and no one came out and said that, you can probably still make this work with a little rephrasing about "declining to prosecute" or sth.

    The pic has a Chinese license but apparently (?) needs a separate American one to be used freely, since Wikipedia's based in the US. — LlywelynII 09:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for pointing out the error in the hook. It should read "without being convicted of a crime", but I got careless after spending hours poring over the sources. So here's ALT1:
  • ALT1 ... that Lt. Gen. Wang Bingzhang (pictured), head of China's ballistic missile and satellite programs, was imprisoned for ten years without being convicted of a crime?
I've added the Chinese infobox module to the infobox. I prefer the Chinese infobox too, but sometimes get lazy :).
Regarding the image, there have been complex discussions about the URAA at the Commons, but the current situation is that URAA images are ok for the commons, which means ok for DYK (see official position of the Wikimedia Foundation and community decision).
QPQ has been added.
No worries about the past issues. New year, new beginning :) -Zanhe (talk) 20:59, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed; original reviewer has not returned in nearly eight weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:16, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
  • The issues were QPQ needed (now provided), URAA license (per link Zanhe provided, Wikimedia stance is to keep such content), and the semantics of the hook. Zanhe, is the NDSTC the same thing as the Ministry of National Defense. If so, the hook checks out (article says Bingzhang was the deputy director of the Ministry of National Defense, but became the acting director of the NDSTC), but this should be clarified where the article links to the Ministry of National Defense. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @Usernameunique: the NDSTC (unfortunately no article yet) was in charge of China's strategic weapons programs and commanded vast resources (see China's Techno-warriors). It was nominally a division of the Defence Ministry, but reported directly to the Central Military Commission. As acting head of the NDSTC, Wang was in charge of China's nuclear tests, strategic missiles, and satellites. -Zanhe (talk) 18:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
How about this? ALT2 "... that Lt. Gen. Wang Bingzhang (pictured) was purged in 1971 due to the "Lin Biao incident"?" --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
That works too, but gives no indication of the significance of Wang's positions. -Zanhe (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Usernameunique, can you please check ALT2 to see whether it is suitable? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Approving both ALT1 and ALT2 (preference to ALT1). Happy with the explanation above for ALT1, and ALT2 checks out (added an inline citation); the words "Lin Biao incident" do not appear in the article, but there are multiple links to Lin Biao, including one to Lin Biao#"Lin Biao incident", which makes it clear. --Usernameunique (talk) 14:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I've stricken ALT2 as both the reviewer and I prefer ALT1. -Zanhe (talk) 23:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
  • I have pulled this from the queue because both sources used to cite the hook (references #1 and #5) are infected with a virus called URL.mal according to my antivirus program. Gatoclass (talk) 13:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: Are you sure that's not a false alarm? My computer doesn't give me any warning. The DYK has been reviewed by several editors, and the article is also under review for GA, but nobody else has reported a virus problem. The two websites in question are run by major reputable organizations: People.com.cn is the website of China's largest official newspaper, People's Daily, and Ifeng.com is the website of Phoenix Television, a major Hong Kong TV broadcaster. I've used the two websites for many of my articles, including those that had appeared on DYK, and never had any problem before. -Zanhe (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Replacing tick for ALT1 as this matter has been resolved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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