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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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Underclass All-American edit

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Created/expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

  • This needs a quick copyedit, and I'm a little worried about how short the last 2 sections are. But the hook is cited, etc., and it looks good to me otherwise. (Sorry, I don't know very much about DYK. I'm learning!) Keilana|Parlez ici 02:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Sure, for starters the first sentence has two very long clauses beginning with "who", which makes it a bit difficult on the reader. I'm also wondering if there should be a "the" before certain teams, like "Junior All-American Team", etc. That's the most of it, I think. Keilana|Parlez ici 12:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm concerned about the referencing in this article. For one, the article is a compilation of different organizations that pick Underclass All-Americans. For most of those organizations, the article only cites that particular organization. The sources given for the sentence "College Football News (CFN) chooses annual NCAA Division I men's college football Freshman All-American teams that it calls All-Freshman teams" do not actually make that claim. --Carabinieri (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Related to Carabinieri's concern, I have serious doubts about the notability of these lists, but so far I have stopped short of nominating the article at AfD. As near as I can determine from the sources cited and what I find in Google searching, sports reporters at media outlets like Sporting News and ESPN generate lists of top underclassmen based on information from news sources (for example, Sporting News says: "All Sporting News college basketball awards were voted on by staff writers and editors, in consultation with coaches and scouts around the country") and then publish articles about their own lists. Unlike the situation with "regular" (all-class) All-American designations, I don't find indications that other publications pick up the information and publish articles about the various underclass lists. Accordingly, this topic does not look notable to me. (I intend to start an AfD, but first I will give the article proponent(s) a chance to try to talk me out of it.) --Orlady (talk) 04:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Regardless of what the names of the distinctions are, I don't find evidence of third-party attention to these lists. I admit that I got excited when I saw "Jersey Journal" as the name of a website that was publishing information about a "Junior All-American" list, thinking it was a third-party publication from New Jersey providing information about this topic, but it turned out to be a different kind of "Jersey": Jersey Journal Junior All-Americans. --Orlady (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
  • References still don't discuss the term itself. I agree with Orlady. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
    • What about reference #1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
      • Yes, ESPN published a list of the "ESPN RISE Underclass All-Americans Boys Basketball Team" and the AAU issued a press release about it. That does not indicate that the generic concept and terminology of "Underclass All-Americans" has notability. (In that AAU piece, I was almost surprised not to see "®" next to the term "ESPN RISE Underclass All-Americans Boys Basketball Team".) --Orlady (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Can I fail my own nomination?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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