- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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Spyridon Louis edit
Spyridon Louis in 1896
... that after winning the inaugural modern Olympic men's marathon, Spyridon Louis (pictured) turned down all gifts except a horse and a carriage?- ALT1:
... that the winner of the inaugural modern Olympic men's marathon in 1896, Spyridon Louis was arrested and later acquitted of falsifying military documents? - ALT2: ... that Greek Spyridon Louis became a national hero as a result of winning the inaugural modern Olympic men's marathon?
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Improved to Good Article status by DatGuy (talk). Self-nominated at 10:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC).
Interesting life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. - The image is licensed and a good illustration. I am not sure if the first hook matches the article, and think the second lets us think for moment that he was guilty. How about just saying that he was a national hero by ..., or that a stadion is named for him? - Article suggestions: write a lead that is a summary, amd move the water selling detail to the body ;) - Write a caption in the infobox, like the one here? The refs could be in numerical order. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Added alt two, might need a bit of rewording. What do you mean by "The refs could be in numerical order"? Also, do you believe I should make a new (short) section for his early life? The water selling stuff doesn't seem to fit well anywhere else. Dat GuyTalkContribs 09:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- I think they mean instead of having, say ref 20 and ref 3 (like this: [20][3]), have ref 3 and then ref 20. RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 15:17, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
ALT2, with thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think they mean instead of having, say ref 20 and ref 3 (like this: [20][3]), have ref 3 and then ref 20. RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 15:17, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Added alt two, might need a bit of rewording. What do you mean by "The refs could be in numerical order"? Also, do you believe I should make a new (short) section for his early life? The water selling stuff doesn't seem to fit well anywhere else. Dat GuyTalkContribs 09:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
I've pulled this from prep not only because of the template added by Yoninah about the lead, which does not properly summarize the article and contains significant information about Louis's youth that is not in the body of the article (a violation of MOS:LEAD, which should be followed per the GA criteria), but because of what appears to be some fairly extensive copyvio of the olympics.com source (per Earwig's report), which appears not to have been mentioned as an issue during the GA review. However, I can't be sure about this last, since the material has been in the article here, initially unsourced, since it was created by Jeronimo on June 9, 2004 (Jeronimo hasn't edited on Wikipedia for twelve years), and it is always possible that the article at olympics.com was written later and the writer used some bits from Wikipedia. I am pinging Diannaa, who is well versed in copyright issues, to please take a look at the article and determine what needs to be done. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:30, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry but I am unable to give a definitive answer as to who copied from who, as the oldest version of the source webpage saved by the Wayback Machine is dated 2016. One solution in cases like this is to presumptively remove or paraphrase the overlapping material just to be sure. Sorry I couldn't be more help. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it has been over a month since this was pulled from prep, and the copyvio and lede issues have not been addressed. In addition, the nominator hasn't edited in over a week. Unless he returns to editing soon or another editor adopts this nomination, it is unlikely the issues can be addressed in a timely manner. As such, I regretfully mark this nomination for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- I think it would be a shame but have no time to work on it. Could projects for sports, Olympics, Greece be consulted? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Definitely, informing the respective WikiProjects would be a good idea. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:54, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- I've left a message at both WT:OLYMPICS and WT:GREECE requesting for help here. If no adequate response comes within the next few days, this can be closed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I volunteer to take over this nomination. So to summarize: the lead needs to be adjusted and the olympic.org source information cited needs to be rewritten. Should I check the other sources as well? Please note: i'm not in any sports wikiprojects but i write sports articles :) EDIT: Earwig says this website has a 91% violation. Like the above olympics.org one: i'm confused as to who copied who. I'm dealing with the lead first. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay. I believe the lead is dealt with. Now the question is
beforeafter I deal with the olympics.org source is with the above marathonrunmuseum website I linked above. This website is not used in the article though. Any thoughts? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:50, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay. I believe the lead is dealt with. Now the question is
- @Narutolovehinata5: I volunteer to take over this nomination. So to summarize: the lead needs to be adjusted and the olympic.org source information cited needs to be rewritten. Should I check the other sources as well? Please note: i'm not in any sports wikiprojects but i write sports articles :) EDIT: Earwig says this website has a 91% violation. Like the above olympics.org one: i'm confused as to who copied who. I'm dealing with the lead first. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt, RileyBugz, Diannaa, and BlueMoonset: Have the article issues been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- I fixed another copyvio issue that wasn't part of the above concerns as there was a word for word copy from Reuters. I'll look for more issues but I wouldn't mind if a reviewer checks the entire article as well in case I miss something. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:51, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- The issue I was summoned to look at in August has been addressed. I am not seeing any other copyright issues. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- Also, do I require a QPQ since I took over this nomination? I have one available but this is the first time I've taken over a nom before. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Not for me ;) - You fixed a big problem, just thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- yes but why ask me who didn't see the problems to start with? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- I was asking you since you were the original reviewer and I was just checking if this was ready for the tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- I was asking you since you were the original reviewer and I was just checking if this was ready for the tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- yes but why ask me who didn't see the problems to start with? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)