- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 12:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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P. Kodanda Rao
- ... that Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's membership application to the Servants of India Society was initially declined because he was too young? Source: https://archive.org/details/righthonourablev00pkod/page/478/mode/2up
- ALT1: ... that when Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's membership application to the Servants of India Society declined he temporarily became a botany professor? Source: https://archive.org/details/righthonourablev00pkod/page/478/mode/2up
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Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 08:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- The source is an WP:ABOUTSELF statement from the book jacket of Rao's biography of Srinivasa Sastri. While it's a permissible use of ABOUTSELF, the full statement made in the article, which mentions Srinivasa Sastri as the one who rejected him, fails ABOUTSELF criterion #2. So I don't think it's suitable to base a DYK hook on. - Interesting:
QPQ: 
- Needed
Overall: 
@Ktin: Still need a QPQ for this, and need either a third-party cite that verifies the proposed hooks, or an ALT2 that doesn't have the ABOUTSELF issue. (Even setting aside criterion #2's applicability, I think ABOUTSELF claims without in-text attribution should generally be avoided in DYK hooks.) His friendship with Gandhi and his marriage both have content that could make for good hooks. Overall it's an interesting article and I'm hoping we can resolve this smoothly. :) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 05:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Let me look for some more sources. Else, there is always the Gandhi / Thoreau hook to fall back on. I am out tomorrow and am somewhat constrained in availability through the weekdays. So, if I can get some time through the weekend that would be much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- I am just resurfacing today after a busy week. I have not been able to get a different source. I have been giving this some more thought, this should be attributed to the publisher of the book since it is an author bio. However, if this is not acceptable, we might have to go for something like --
- ALT2: ... that Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's correspondences with Mahatma Gandhi helped clarify Thoreau's influence on Gandhi?
- ALT3: ... that Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's correspondences with Mahatma Gandhi helped clarify the origins of Gandhi's non-violent civil resistance ideas?
- My first preference is to go for ALT0. Happy to hear the reviewer's views. Ktin (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- (Note: Renumbered above to avoid duplicate ALT1s.) @Ktin: So, first off, I slightly misspoke: ABOUTSELF doesn't directly apply since the claim wasn't self-published. That said, there's not necessarily a huge amount of editorial review for an "about the author", so I agree in-text attribution is needed. One way to do that here would be
- ALT4: ... that Indian independence activist P. Kodanda Rao wrote a biography of V. S. Srinivasa Sastri—who, according to Rao, once denied his membership application to the Servants of India Society?
- That's the least clunky wording I can think of that satisfies in-text attribution, and personally it doesn't sound great to me, but it's serviceable. I'm happy to consider more in this vein, or if you like ALT4 specifically I can request someone else review that hook. Or I can just approve this with ALT2 and ALT3 once a QPQ is provided. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:28, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- (Note: Renumbered above to avoid duplicate ALT1s.) @Ktin: So, first off, I slightly misspoke: ABOUTSELF doesn't directly apply since the claim wasn't self-published. That said, there's not necessarily a huge amount of editorial review for an "about the author", so I agree in-text attribution is needed. One way to do that here would be
- QPQ is valid. ALT2 is interesting (I don't think "special knowledge or interest" is required to know who Thoreau is, or at least have a vague sense of him not being a contemporary of Gandhi's) and verified in article.
approved for ALT2. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
