- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 02:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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Ludwig Wüllner
Ludwig Wüllner c. 1910
- ... that Ludwig Wüllner sang in the U.S. premiere of Mahler's Kindertotenlieder in 1910, conducted by the composer? Source: [1] (next page)
Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC).
- New enough (just barely), long enough. QPQ done. While Earwig picks up this as almost identical to the German article, I find it more likely that they were the ones stealing. Slight neutrality issues ("impressive", "fascinating" shouldn't be stated in Wikipedia's voice). The "Roles" section is entirely unsourced. Caption for the grave picture should be translated, and I don't quite see the point of the ad. Thesis title is mixed German/English and not in the source cited. (Untranslating the English part probably fixes that, see the thesis). I find it fascinating that he had a PhD and an abortive academic career before becoming a singer. But your hook works (may want to add "pictured"), and is within the rules.
as some points about the article should be improved (neutrality, unreferenced section). —Kusma (talk) 23:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking into this, a tough one, long, translated from German not by me! - I avoided the two words. I'd just drop the roles list, if it wasn't to not leave the images without something on the left. No idea yet where to look for a ref. The ad tells me that this person will have attracted listeners by just his name, but sure, I know that only from being able to read German. Caption translated. - We could drop the roles and those two pics and be done, right? On the other hand, that's an impressive list. I'll try, help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that Ludwig Wüllner (pictured) sang in the U.S. premiere of Mahler's Kindertotenlieder in 1910, conducted by the composer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, this is better. Without any sourcing, I am not a fan of the Roles section: we know nothing of the context (they could all have been private viewings for the Duke of Meiningen, or they could be on his international tours). In the classic style of the German Wikipedia, we are given a list with dozens of places where sources might be, but no indication of what the sources of the article truly are. —Kusma (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Agree. Let me see if I can find something but that will be later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Take your time. —Kusma (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- There are quite some sources in English, including Grove Music Online (available through TWL I think, I got it through my library at work) and various old music journals. Did you know that he was referred to as the singer without a voice? —Kusma (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Great finds, thank you! Friederike Mayröcker died, new article to be written should be linked from the Main page tomorrow, PR comments, - patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- There are quite some sources in English, including Grove Music Online (available through TWL I think, I got it through my library at work) and various old music journals. Did you know that he was referred to as the singer without a voice? —Kusma (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Take your time. —Kusma (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- New enough (just barely), long enough. QPQ done. While Earwig picks up this as almost identical to the German article, I find it more likely that they were the ones stealing. Slight neutrality issues ("impressive", "fascinating" shouldn't be stated in Wikipedia's voice). The "Roles" section is entirely unsourced. Caption for the grave picture should be translated, and I don't quite see the point of the ad. Thesis title is mixed German/English and not in the source cited. (Untranslating the English part probably fixes that, see the thesis). I find it fascinating that he had a PhD and an abortive academic career before becoming a singer. But your hook works (may want to add "pictured"), and is within the rules.
- Gerda Arendt, Kusma, it's been four weeks without any action on this nomination. Can we please get this wrapped up in the next seven days? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- sorry, I forgot - I found a ref for a few, commented out others, have more urgent things to do than hunting in old documents --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
