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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Loss (comic) edit

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... that New York Magazine's Brian Feldman declared the webcomic "Loss" as "the Internet's Longest-Running Miscarriage 'Joke'"? New York Magazine
- ALT1:... that on its tenth anniversary, the webcomic "Loss" was replaced by an edited version titled Found? Gizmodo

Created by GamerPro64 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC).

I will review the article. Szzuk (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- This is a high quality article. The article was created today. Article length 4996 characters. The refs in this article are good quality and there is no concern about notability or WP:V, this article is within policy, no copyvios, interesting and verified. My only issue is with the hook, it is verified but I'm obviously reluctant to promote a joke about miscarriage - as coverage mentioned demonstrates. I will look at this again tomorrow. Szzuk (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  - I think the only issue is the hook, miscarriage isn't a banned subject but neither hooks do the article justice. Could you suggest more alts. Szzuk (talk) 13:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
    - I can think of another, though the subject of miscarriage is, in my opinion, synonymous with the comic. How about this one:
- ALT2:... that Penny Arcade co-creator Jerry Holkins described Ctrl+Alt+Del's Tim Buckley as the "Antichrist" for creating "Loss"? Joystiq GamerPro64 15:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
  - This alt is fine, I've checked the ref is good and I'm happy for this to be promoted. Szzuk (talk) 10:30 am, Today (UTC−7)
    - Szzuk, please add an icon (listed above when you're editing) to indicate that it's ready for promotion. Then a bot will add it to the approved page, and someone will eventually come along and promote it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:15, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
This would be significantly funnier if submitted for Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know with the hook
- ALT3:... that this is "Loss"?
  - hahnchen 15:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
    - I would be fine making it an April Fools Day DYK. GamerPro64 16:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
      - There should be a picture - an ultra-stylized abstraction. DS (talk) 00:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

The April Fools hook idea leaves me lost. Can we run with the first hook now? Yoninah (talk) 20:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Well the April Fools hook is part of the reference. In the article it mentions the phrase "Is This Loss?" But if that is too vague and whatnot I will be fine with it being posted with the other hook. GamerPro64 22:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

It's fine with an April Fools hook being vague. Wikipedia once just had a question mark as the entire hook - Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2012/April#2_April_2012. I agree with DS that it would work better with a picture. - hahnch e n 10:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

As nominator you're entitled to request a specific date, to move this forward it would be helpful if you formally requested April 1 or declined. Szzuk (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

All right. I would like to request to move this to April Fools Day. GamerPro64 15:47, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I've struck ALT0 to ALT2. So we're now looking at ALT3 for April Fools Day. Picture anyone? Szzuk (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

April Fools' Day hooks must follow all DYK rules, with a few specific exceptions. (There was a one-time exemption for the unique question mark hook.) A hook must present a verifiable fact. ALT3 doesn't, and is not acceptable. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I've struck ALT3 so we need ALT4... can any of the earlier ALTs be rejigged? Szzuk (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Maybe a picture would help, so say Juxlos (talk) 13:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

ALT4: ... that this (pictured) is "Loss"?

ALT4 doesn't sound April Foolsy or hooky to me. Yoninah (talk) 13:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Would it be possible to drop "that" from the DYK and just say "Is This Loss?" while showing the image? Basically the April Fooling would work best for the people who get the reference, as is usually the case when people familiar with it notice the pattern. GamerPro64 16:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Not sure about that, DYK is intended for a broad audience, not for a small group with their own in-jokes. Most people wouldn't get the reference (disclosure: I'm one of them) so I think the hook needs to reflect that. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok I think I thought up a April Foolsy hook:

ALT5: ... that "Loss" was "Found" on its tenth anniversary? Gizmodo GamerPro64 17:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

This does not meet the rules for April Fools hooks, which state:

April Fools Did You Know items should present some trivia that can be presented in a manner that is possibly unbelievable to the reader. This can be done through words or names that mean two different things, shortened names, unbelievable facts, unrelated facts, etc. ... Remember, we are trying to confuse and mislead Wikipedians and visitors, not lie to them. Keep all hooks and articles completely truthful, but outrageous.

But it is good for the rest of the year. Yoninah (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

This whole conversation is getting nowhere for April Fool's day. So I think this should just be sent to DYK now. GamerPro64 22:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Per noms request the April Fools Day idea is struck. I've unstruck ALT0 - ALT2 the refs on all of them check out so the promoter can choose which to use, and I've restored the tick. Szzuk (talk) 22:53, 21 August 2018 (UTC)