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The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 18:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by Ivy Queen edit

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  • ... that Ivy Queen has received awards and nominations for her contributions to the music industry where she is known as the "only significant female reggaeton rapper"?

Created/expanded by DivaKnockouts (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

  • QPQ done, hook length seems fine, Cited well. Concerned that while it is a new article, it is forked off from another article; some of the info actually comes from stuff already in the main Ivy Queen article. First hook was put in Ivy Queen article on January 8, 2013. ALT1 hook not explicitly stated, but you can see that the song has been nominated five times (winning four). But this isn't really new info as it has been in the main article before. Not sure that this qualifies for DYK. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 23:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, if you see here [1] before I moved the awards to a separate article, the awards for "Dime" was only a total of three awards, so it really is new infomation. I then moved the awards to a seperates article to which I then expanded and added more awards. Now, the current prose count is at 2185 excluding the second paragraph of the lead which is extracted fro, the main Ivy Queen article, which I tore down from the bottom and re-built. Also, it is stated in the article that "Dime" has received five nominations in the statement: "In 2009, "Dime" became her most nominated work at a single event, with three nominations at the 2009 Latin Billboard Music Awards where she was awarded Hot Latin Songs of the Year, Female and Tropical Airplay Song of the Year with five total nominations." Thank you for you're concerns and time taking this review. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 23:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Support ALT1 – I see. You are right about the five nomination point. It all looks well cited enough and is a new article. I think that this does qualify then. Thank you for your work. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the review and your time. :) — DivaKnockouts (talk) 14:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
  • The original point about this article being forked off from another article is indeed germane: according to WP:DYKSG#A5, "If some of the text was copied from another Wikipedia article, then it must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article." In other words, since a portion of the material here was forked from an existing article, the pre-existing material is treated as the article's base, from which a 5x expansion is required.
From what I can tell, the second half of the first paragraph and the entire second paragraph of the intro were copied from the original Ivy Queen article, along with the award tables. By my count, that's a base of approximately 937 prose characters. A 5x expansion would require 4675 prose characters; the article as it stands contains 3041 prose characters, so it would need another 1634 prose characters to qualify.
Alternatively, you can reduce the copied material. Eliminating about 395 of those 937 characters would put the article within the 5x guideline, or a combination of deleting copied material and inserting new material could also do the trick. As it stands now, however, the article does not qualify. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing that out BlueMoonset. Will have to study the guidelines more next time I review. Changing my approval mark above, then. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay, if the second paragraph of the lead is removed what else would need to be done? — DivaKnockouts (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Now sure if the problem has been resolved, what do you think Blue? — DivaKnockouts (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I'll take a look. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You're welcome, JoannaSerah. There's no need to change an earlier mark: the last mark listed in a review supersedes any previous mark. (Actually, both ticks mean the article is approved. The only difference is that the gray tick says you haven't been able to check against offline sources so you're approving the nomination assuming good faith [AGF] that the sources do contain the stated information, especially where the hook is involved, while the green tick says you've been able to check and everything is okay.) The supplemental rules are sort of misnamed, because they carry as much force as the ones on the regular rules page, but are listed more to explain the ins and outs of those rules where questions have arisen over time. We all gradually learn the more arcane details of them. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
  • It looks to me that the retained prose character number from the original article is now down to 323, so the 2860 prose characters in the article now are far more than a 5x expansion, and also well above the 1500 minimum for all DYK nominations. JoannaSerah, if you'd like, please feel free to do the honors. Just to confirm, it doesn't matter whether the information about "Dime" had also been in the Ivy Queen article, so long as it is here and it is sourced. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Sure, I just looked over the article again and it does look good and appears to meet the requirements now. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but wonder if the Alt1 hook needs a little more context as to who Ivy Queen is. The first hook, you can tell, but the second one, you kind of have to know who Ivy Queen is and what "Dime" is. If you think that the Alt1 is ok, Bluemoonset, then that's fine. An alternative might be:
Alt2: ... that the awards and nominations received by reggaeton rapper Ivy Queen include five for her song "Dime"?
Otherwise, the current Alt1 could go on. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 19:41, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I've just renumbered your alternate hook Alt2, to avoid confusion with the original Alt1. I think adding "reggaeton rapper" and "her song" helps clarify things for the person reading the hook. It might also be nice to have a link on reggaeton, but some people prefer to minimize the non-bold wikilinks in their hooks, so I'd leave that up to DivaKnockouts. Since both phrases were covered in earlier reviews, and are therefore presumably in the article and properly sourced, there's no need for an independent review of Alt2. Feel free to add a tick if you're happy with everything; it needs a tick from you if you approve it. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Alt2 with reggaeton wikilinked should be good. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 19:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Alt2 approved. Everything looks good now. Thank you for your work. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you to the both of you for taking time on this review, and expressing your concerns. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Has this been checked for close paraphrasing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
    • Checked and no close paraphrasing found. Also, I tweaked some sentences just in case for the sake of security and prose. — ΛΧΣ21 00:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Source says "only one significant female reggaeton rapper", so the quote above is incorrect. Also, this article is ten years old, so she might not be the only one now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, this doesn't support the article. This is not a reliable source. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The hook that was approved is Alt2 not the first one so that is irreverent. Secondly, Ivy Queen remains the only significant female reggaeton rapper. There hasn't been any new ones in some time except for a few (ex. Jenny La Sexy Voz) but they are all not notable. She is the only one. I can provide a more recent source from 2012, actually multiple sources if you would like. Also, I believe it is a reliable source, as I am using the information from the Editorial Review section not the user submitted content. Regards. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 00:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Citation needed, if she still is the only one we need sources saying she is. Amazon's still not a quality source as they're trying to sell products, and the reviews are geared to that. You still haven't addressed the adnradio source either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I will find some more recent citations to prove she is the only one. Alright, I'll remove Amazon the information is sourced in another citation. The Adnradio source supports what album the song was from. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The Amazon reference has been replaced. Anything else you see that I should fix? Thanks. EDIT: Also, the third source in the article [2] specifically states "You're still the queen—the only woman that matters I this genre" describing Ivy Queen. Is that enough for you? Or should I find an article from 2012, as that one is from 2010. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
  • 2010 is fairly recent, so that's okay. The adnradio one should be clarified with hidden text in the article, because if you put it at the end of a sentence it is assumed to support the whole sentence. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I moved the reference to the middle of the sentence. The rest of the sentence is sourced in the rest of the article. Is that all? — DivaKnockouts (talk) 01:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Okay, looks good now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Woo! Thanks again for your comments! — DivaKnockouts (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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