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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 11:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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List of Major League Baseball hitters with six hits in one game edit

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Created by TonyTheTiger (talk), Hoops gza (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 02:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC).

  • I can find no evidence that "The 2008 Complete Baseball Record Book" exists. Only 15 hits on Google, all to WP articles using it as a ref, or to mirrors of such articles. There is insufficient information to track it down (no publisher, date, ISBN, author, etc.). No search engine finds this book, and Amazon and other book retailers do not list it. Please provide details for me to find this source. Mindmatrix 19:37, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Another worry is that in other articles in which it's used as a source, the only information provided is the title, and given that internet search companies and book retailers don't recognize the title, I would question it's authenticity. I'd be inclined to remove it from all WP articles using it as a reference unless I'm offered incontrovertible evidence of its existence and reliability. Mindmatrix 01:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
  • In the meantime... Article nominated within five days of creation, and has about 1700 bytes of text, satisfying date and length criteria. {{underconstruction}} tag needs to be removed. I wouldn't use the word 'phenomenal' to describe the accomplishment; perhaps 'statistically improbable'. I'm not sure why Burns, Pfeffer et al are mentioned - is there a need to state who didn't get six hits that could have? (If so, why restrict it to players with three hits in one inning? Why not those that had X hits in Y innings?) Ditto for Piggy Ward mention. As far as sourcing is concerned, everything referenced to sources #2 and #3 are OK, with the caveats I mentioned. Source #1 is a problem for now, as I noted above. There's no citation for the hook fact (it's in source #3). ALT1 is OK, but the name is misspelled. ALT2 is OK. I've changed a few things in the article, including the source for the claim in ALT2. QPQ completed. Mindmatrix 21:09, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
  • One of the big points of the article is that a lot of people have gotten 6 hits in 9 innings. 3 hits in one inning is even rarer. I am not sure what version of the article you are working from because it seems to only have 3 references and the current version has 4.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:29, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I added the DiGiovanna reference after my review, which was based on this version (ie - the version before my three edits). The point about three hits in one inning is irrelevant - the article's subject is "List of Major League Baseball hitters with six hits in one game". Mindmatrix 01:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it's a PDF book that I downloaded for free from the internet many years ago. I guess it has been removed since then. I can tell you that the prose can certainly be supported by other sources. - Hoops gza (talk) 15:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

  • If you have the full book, are the author(s), publisher, year, and isbn available in the pdf? That would be sufficient for the cite; the book doesn't have to be online. It's usually good to have the page(s) in the cite too.—Bagumba (talk) 04:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Indeed. Please add source information to the article, and also address the concerns I mentioned in the paragraph above (starting with "In the meantime...") Mindmatrix 13:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Of the three options, I like Alt 2 the most. It is longer, but also refers to a major league record. Epeefleche (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT1 also mentions an MLB record (most hits in an MLB game of any length). Mindmatrix 13:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Just a reminder that there are outstanding issues to address:
  • are there any more details to add for the reference "The 2008 Complete Baseball Record Book" (author and ISBN, for example)?
  • I have not been using the watchlist lately. Unfortunately, I cannot find any more information on the book such as the ISBN. The file that I downloaded does not entail the book from cover to cover. I'm not sure how they had arranged that. There was probably an additional file with that information in it which I did not download. Who knows. I'm sorry about that. - Hoops gza (talk) 23:27, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
  • delete the second paragraph, which is really a section about topics other than the subject of this article, and add about 250 bytes of text to return the text to the minimum 1500 bytes required (example additions: frequency of occurrence of the feat; dead ball era vs modern era; by team; by decade; by position played by the hitter; etc.)
There's not much to do to get this to the point of DYK approval. Mindmatrix 16:10, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Good to go, though I think the text accompanying the list is weak and needs more work, and effort should be made to determine other details (author, ISBN) for "The 2008 Complete Baseball Record Book" so future editors may be able to find this source. (I'm approving this source as I've determined it exists, and was published by a reputable source.) Mindmatrix 15:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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