Template:Did you know nominations/Fleet Review (Japan)
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The result was: promoted by — Amakuru (talk) 11:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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Fleet Review (Japan)
... that, tomorrow, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force will host its triennial Fleet Review?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/JOSS
- Comments Please hold for October 13
Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 02:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC).
Hi Chetsford, review follows: article created 8 October; article exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources (there's a minor formatting issue with the Talmadge ref, making the link text show up weird); no overly close paraphrasing from the sources noticed; hook fact is interesting and mentioned in article; I have an issue verifying it from the article though - the source cited after the 14 October date is the South China Morning Post article which gives a date of 15 October. It is presumably mistaken? The NHK world article gives the correct date of 14 October. Is there a Japanese Navy source that can be used to prove the correct date and added to the article? Other than that a QPQ has been done so this should be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- (ec, I was too slow, didn't I say I was doing this?)
Solid article on good sources, subscription source accepted AGF (but please fix its title), no copyvio obvious. I miss an image, - yes, I know the preps are full, but you could try with the impressive line-up. Hook: I find it pale, and never would have my subject link at the end ;) - How about mentioning that for the first time a Chinese vesel participates? Also: why say "tomorrow", instead of "today" on the 14th? You wouldn't do that for a birthday. Also: do we need the pompous name of the navy in full length? - Article: consider to make one History section, instead of these short sections. I could imagine to bold just the years, making an exception. In the image caption for Abe, why a verb? Consider a link for him, - he's not the Queen of England ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC) - ... and yes, qpq needed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Triumphal Grand Naval Review of 1905
ALT1 ... that the Meiji Emperor, future Taishō Emperor, and victor at Tsushima Tōgō Heihachirō officiated at the 1905 Japanese Fleet Review (pictured)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk • contribs)
- Thank you for the offer. That should be in the article body then, not only in an image caption, also has many titles and names before the real thing appears. Chetsford, what do you think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt and Dumelow - thank you for the reviews! The SCMP article is incorrect on the date. I've moved the NHK link inline and also added a second source from the Maritime Self-Defense Force which confirms it is occurring on October 14. Also, I've proposed an ALT-2 since, today, it was announced there is a possibility the review may be cancelled due to Super Typhoon Hagilis. I personally oppose Alt-1 since the article is about the JMSDF's Fleet Review, not the IJN's Fleet Review.
- ALT2 ... that the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force has scheduled its triennial Fleet Review for tomorrow?
- ALT3 ... that during the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force triennial Fleet Review, scheduled for tomorrow, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy will participate for the first time?
- Gerda Arendt - I've made the corrections you recommend in the article, though, if this goes up on October 13 and the review is on the 14, we'd need to keep it "tomorrow" instead of "today", I think? I agree Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force is a mouthful, but to say Navy will (I'm almost certain) prompt some objections since in Japanese law it's (technically) just a very heavily armed group of civilians and not an actual "navy".
Please let me know if I missed anything - thank you both, very much! Chetsford (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2019 (UTC)- Thank you!
approving both ALT2 and ALT3. How is this:- ALT4: ... that during the triennial Fleet Review of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, scheduled for tomorrow, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy will participate for the first time? If you like that one Dumelow can approve it ;) - You will have to ask for mercy, because the preps are fully loaded for both 13 and 14. I have Hans Riemer scheduled for 14 which could be swapped to later, - he is dead. In which case perhaps:
- ALT5: ... that during the triennial Fleet Review of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force today, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy participates for the first time? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - I like both 4 and 5 - thank you! Chetsford (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt and Dumelow - thank you for the reviews! The SCMP article is incorrect on the date. I've moved the NHK link inline and also added a second source from the Maritime Self-Defense Force which confirms it is occurring on October 14. Also, I've proposed an ALT-2 since, today, it was announced there is a possibility the review may be cancelled due to Super Typhoon Hagilis. I personally oppose Alt-1 since the article is about the JMSDF's Fleet Review, not the IJN's Fleet Review.
I've struck the 1905 ALT, all others are OK. My preference is for ALT1 as I find the others a bit of a mouthful, but that's just personal preference. If I might also propose an ALT - Dumelow (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- ALT6: ... that today's/tomorrow's Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force Fleet Review will be the first to include a vessel of the People's Liberation Army Navy?
- @Chetsford: @Gerda Arendt: what was the rationale for proposing this for the day before the special occasion (the 13th) rather than the 14th? I'm tempted to just make it a "today" hook as that's our usual practice, but if there's a good reason for the 13th let me know... — Amakuru (talk) 06:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know, would also go for 14. I know the problem of any "today" that depending on where you are in the world it will not be that day, but the same is true for "tomorrow". We usually just say "today" anyway, the date is given in the article, would be clumsy in a hook, and doesn't matter too much anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly, either way is fine with me. I only proposed the 13th as I figured it would be more relevant with the date line and assuming most EN-WP readers are in North America and Europe. But I think either works! Chetsford (talk) 23:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- 13 is now and doesn't work. Amakuru? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: oh yes, sorry this had slipped my mind. I've promoted it tomorrow's queue. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 11:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- 13 is now and doesn't work. Amakuru? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Chetsford: @Gerda Arendt: what was the rationale for proposing this for the day before the special occasion (the 13th) rather than the 14th? I'm tempted to just make it a "today" hook as that's our usual practice, but if there's a good reason for the 13th let me know... — Amakuru (talk) 06:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- ALT6: ... that today's/tomorrow's Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force Fleet Review will be the first to include a vessel of the People's Liberation Army Navy?
