Template:Did you know nominations/Curtis P. Iaukea

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Curtis P. Iaukea edit

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Curits P. Iaukea

... that Curtis P. Iaukea (pictured) served as the Hawaiian ambassador to the coronation of Tsar Alexander III of Russia and the Golden and Diamond Jubilee of Queen Victoria?

Comment: Please promote with image of Iaukea.
Reviewed: Historical comet observations in China

5x expanded by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 09:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC).

New enough, long enough. Neutral, cited (often to offline sources, on which I AGF), and no copyvios detected. As for the hook, few issues. The coronation of Alexander III needs a cite at the end of the sentence it's mentioned in, per DYK rules. Same with Golden Jubilee. As for the Silver Jubilee, I believe this is factually inaccurate. Please verify, but the article seems to indicate he attended the Diamond Jubilee, not the Silver. Please double-check and correct these issues, then the hook will need another once-over. As for the picture, its copyright status isn't fully clear. The date is unknown, but it's marked as being published before 1923. Do you have evidence of the date of publication? I can tell you for sure it was created in 1883 (based on "By Royal Command"), but that's not the same as publication. {{PD-US-unpublished}} may apply even if the first publication was in "By Royal Command" if the publication was not authorized by the true copyright holder of the image. (Such unauthorized publications don't "count" for the purpose of the copyright clock.) ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 05:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: Yes it is Diamond Jubilee, changed that in the hook. Adding the extra citation after the sentence now. So I've contacted HS archives before about the uses of their image and they have told me that most of their images are unpublished archival images.. I don't know anything specifics about this image in general. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

The image was published in "By Royal Command", so the text of {{PD-US-unpublished}} doesn't appear to apply at first glance. I've discussed this with some experts on copyright, though, and it likely does fall under that because "By Royal Command" notes in a foreward that the images were obtained from the descendants of Curtis P. Iaukea, not the descendants of the photographer. Only the descendants of the photographer (or other copyright holder, depending on circumstances) could appropriately authorize the publication of an image, so this image is still "unpublished" in the eyes of copyright law in the absence of any evidence of publication. The statement you say you obtained from the HS archives corroborates this. In short, image is good to go. Cites were added. Feel free to remove them after the DYK runs on the front page if that information was originally cited to the next cite appearing in text; the rule is just to make verification easy for people coming from the main page. Good to go. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)