Template:Did you know nominations/Come to the Well
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 17:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Come to the Well edit
- ... that CCM singer Matthew West co-wrote half of the tracks on the Casting Crowns's album Come to the Well?
5x expanded by Toa Nidhiki05 (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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- Certain part of the article are lacking a citation when I feel that these sections needs references. (eg: Lead singer Mark Hall has noted that "If you were to walk in your church right now and ask five different people, “What is the most important emphasis in your church?” each would give a different answer.- where did he say that?)
Personally, I feel that this sentence ""Come To The Well" has been projected to sell upwards of 110,000+ copies in its first chart week, enough for a possible debut at a No. 1 on the Billboard 200." is a weaselly phrased sentence. Who "projected" this projection (that the source is also missing)? Personally, I feel that an "Industry analysts" projection should not be included in the commercial reception section because it may not the true result that it actually attains, and it may make the article seem biased. If necessary, include it in the critical reception section (with citations please).
Ref 10 does not give any hint that the singles was released on July 19, 2011. (Instead, it says Jan 1, 2011, which I don't think it is true, showing that this source might me unreliable.) And for ref 11-13, can you provide a web entry to back the info up? I think statements such as "Billboard Hot Christian Songs. 29 October 2011" does not cut it as one can "invent" such information.--Lionratz (talk) 11:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
- The sentence you quoted is covered by reference nine, an article he wrote. The sentence is contained within quotation marks, and I quoted at the end of it.
- The sentence regarding potential sales is covered by ref fourteen (While industry prognosticators have suggested that "Come to the Well" could sell upwards of 110,000 copies by week's end on Sunday, Oct. 23, so too, could Adele's "21" album. This past week, "21" sold 111,000 and all signs point to the set staying steady around that number next week; So, how is "Come to the Well" at No. 3 on the Building Chart even though its in the running for No. 1? The Building Chart doesn't reflect sales from the Christian retail marketplace -- where the bulk of "Come's" sales are generated. Unless something really crazy over the weekend happens, we should see Casting Crowns at either Nos. 1 or 2 on the final Billboard 200 chart next week.) , written by Billboard magazine. Billboard is both reliable and premier in the world of US singles and album charts. I fully intend to update this when the chart is officially released (and include the actual sales numbers in the article that will undoubtedly be released). The 'predicted' sales data is placeholder and will be useful to compare to the real data.
- Corrected with CD Universe data on the matter.
- As to those, no I cannot. I have access to the weekly charts, but not to the online archive. While the archive is always preferable, it would serve little use to users who do not have Billboard.biz memberships, which are needed to view the archives. I will note Featured Article class articles use this format, including "Just Like Heaven", a song by The Cure that was recently on the front page. Toa Nidhiki05 20:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
- Corrected with CD Universe data on the matter.
- The sentence regarding potential sales is covered by ref fourteen (While industry prognosticators have suggested that "Come to the Well" could sell upwards of 110,000 copies by week's end on Sunday, Oct. 23, so too, could Adele's "21" album. This past week, "21" sold 111,000 and all signs point to the set staying steady around that number next week; So, how is "Come to the Well" at No. 3 on the Building Chart even though its in the running for No. 1? The Building Chart doesn't reflect sales from the Christian retail marketplace -- where the bulk of "Come's" sales are generated. Unless something really crazy over the weekend happens, we should see Casting Crowns at either Nos. 1 or 2 on the final Billboard 200 chart next week.) , written by Billboard magazine. Billboard is both reliable and premier in the world of US singles and album charts. I fully intend to update this when the chart is officially released (and include the actual sales numbers in the article that will undoubtedly be released). The 'predicted' sales data is placeholder and will be useful to compare to the real data.
I still stand by my point about bringing the Billboard magazine review to the "critical" section above it. This is because no matter how reliable a source might be, they are not mind-readers or something and cannot predict the actual results. The commercial section should be included only after the album has posted a ranking on a chart or its sales results have been announced. Other than that, I detected no other problems.--Lionratz (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
