- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 04:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Carlos Scharff
- ... that rubber barons like Carlos Scharff enslaved indigenous populations in the Upper Amazon region during the rubber boom as a workforce for latex collection? Source: Quote published by Peruvian anthropologist Beatriz Huertas Castillo in her 2004 publication "Indigenous peoples in isolation in the Peruvian Amazon", page 53."“Our grandfathers came to work with the masters of this area. Around 500 families came with Carlos Scharff. Manchineri, Cushitineri, Etene, Kudpaneri and Nachineri came. They lived around Las Piedras. The master grouped them together at Curiyacu. They lived some distance from each other in groups. They mixed with other natives who were brought by the master and later they were put to work on the rubber"
- Comment: There are alternative ways to write this hook and relay the same information.
Created by Arawoke (talk). Self-nominated at 23:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Carlos Scharff; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment: @Arawoke: It might be helpful for others if you add page 58 from Castillo (2004) to the citation up above, as it adds additional support for your hook, rather than just page 53 alone. I think the potential hook material in the legacy section, particularly the account of Scharff's extended family continuing to practice slavery, is the most interesting material in the entire article and would make an exceptional hook, perhaps as an ALT1. Also, I think there is some confusion about dates in this section. Hvalkof made his discovery sometime between 1986 and 1987, but the last quote in the section places the context in 1975. Of course, that doesn't make sense, so if you go back to the source text, it looks like the date comes from p. 119, which refers to Hvalkof reminiscing about his first field studies in the region, which occurred in 1975. As such, I removed it.[1] If you disagree, feel free to add it back. Viriditas (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: @Viriditas: Thank you for both of those recommendations, that bit about Scharff's family would be a great piece of information for the hook. I have added that bit of context onto Carlos Fitzcarrald's legacy as well, with a blockquote from Hvalkof. Huertas Castillo also elaborates further on the continuation of slave raids into the 1960's, however I am not yet familiar enough with Hvalkof or Huertas work expand upon that information, this is a huge topic to say the least. I did not catch that bit about the date at first, and I appreciate that you took the time to get familiar with the subject! This is my first DYK attempt, and I am not really sure how to make an alternative hook, I may have put one together by now if I did. I will look into it soon
- If you propose a new hook (or a few, depends entirely on you), I can help add them up above. Otherwise, I can go ahead and review the hook you have now. But, I still think proposing a new hook about how the slavery continued would be amazing. I'm not entirely sure how to word it, however, so I'll leave that up to you. Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Procedural note: nomination was made on November 8 before the GA review was passed on November 21. I am not knowledgeable enough about process to know whether this is a common approach, but I assume it was done because of the queue length and waitlist time, with the nominator anticipating that the passing review would occur before the DYK review, which is exactly what happened. Because this is entirely reasonable, I will assume this is acceptable. Article passed as a GA; it is long enough, well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, and copyvio-free. QPQ not needed. The hook is 157 characters. There are a large number of blockquotes, which could be perceived as excessive, but I think it is acceptable for the moment. I would recommend the nominator cutting down on the blockquotes and moving them to Wikiquote, which is best practice. The only problem I have with the entire article is the unusual use of citations in the bibliography section, which link to the publisher page instead of the ISBN and/or OCLC numbers, which I find far more useful. However, I don't think this unusual style should have any bearing on the DYK. The hook looks good, although I have recommended alternates at the nominator's discretion. Although the hook is cited in various places throughout the article, I cited it explicitly in the lead to avoid any issues going forward.[2] I also recommended adding additional page numbers to the hook for stronger support, which the nom did.[3] DYK is good to go. Viriditas (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
