Template:Did you know nominations/Air pollution in Turkey

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Air pollution in Turkey

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... that shutting down all the 20th century coal-fired power stations in the country, creating low-emission zones in cities and running electric ferries across the Bosphoros could all be part of the solution to air pollution in Turkey? Source: "electric propulsion systems are viable for ferry routes with a high number of trips. For these ferries, the savings in operating costs become so large that they can cover the investment costs – and even exceed them" [1]
- ALT1:~~... that the right to clean air was recognised in the 6th century, and air pollution in Turkey could be stopped in the 21st?~~ Source: "By the law of nature these things are common to mankind – the air, running water, [and] the sea" [2]

Comment: I think I still have one free nomination left but if not please let me know so I can do a review

Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - See below
Interesting:
Other problems: - Both hooks are kind of speculative. Could you write another one that focuses on concrete verifiable facts that are true today? Also, the source you quote does not support "that the right to clean air was recognised in the 6th century", and the link is misleading.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: (t · c) buidhe 02:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it would be nice to have something to cheer people up rather than something depressing like:

ALT2:... that 30,000 people die each year from air pollution in Turkey? Source: According to dust and sea-salt removed satellite-derived PM2.5, mortality ... of 36967 in Turkey .... estimated by all causes. ... 40583 in Turkey .... using ground PM2.5 observations for provinces with monitoring stations. [3]

(lowest estimate is 29 thousand in another source)

so how about:

ALT3:~~... that TOGG plan to drive away air pollution in Turkey?~~Source: Speaking about the environmentally friendly specification of the models, Karakas said: “(TOGG cars) are one-ninth of the legal (emissions) limit in Turkey, one-seventh of the legal limit in Europe and it is the cleanest in Europe." [4]

I know the cars are not yet in production but as the country has so much carmaking experience already and the factory is already being built I am sure they will be in a couple of years. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

ALT2 could work, but I don't think ALT3 does because readers are unlikely to know what TOGG is and "drive away air pollution" is too vague, not to mention not supported by the source you cited. Or even better: (t · c) buidhe 07:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- ALT4: ... that around 8% of deaths in Turkey are caused by air pollution? [5][6]

Oh no - ALT4 is true but even more depressing. Can't we have something more cheerful? You are right that readers are unlikely to know TOGG, but perhaps that does not matter, and it might intrigue them. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

BuidheI think ALT3 is fine - can you reconsider? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't think ALT3 is suitable, it's not going to be understood by the average mainpage viewer. Sorry. (t · c) buidhe 06:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

ALT5: ... that with 25 million vehicles traversing its roads, vehicle density has been cited as the main factor affecting air pollution in Turkey?

Yoninah (talk) 17:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OK thanks Yoninah Buidhe ALT5 sounds fine Chidgk1 (talk) 09:12, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Meh, I don't think that's all that interesting. Turkey is a big country 25 million vehicles is not that many and auto emissions are the main cause of air pollution in many countries. (t · c) buidhe 07:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

ALT6: ... that part of the solution to air pollution in Turkey could be electric ferries across the Bosphoros? Source: "electric propulsion systems are viable for ferry routes with a high number of trips. For these ferries, the savings in operating costs become so large that they can cover the investment costs – and even exceed them" [7]

Yoninah ALT6 is both interesting and might cheer people up. I know Buidhe said it is speculative, but although I am sure it will come one day I am not saying that. The sentence shows it is a proposal.Chidgk1 (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

It's good. @Buidhe:? Yoninah (talk) 14:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Reviewer needed for ALT6. Pinging Kingsif for help here. Yoninah (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hook fact not in article. Kingsif (talk) 18:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kingsif: Isn't it in this sentence? Electric ferryboats[88][89] and a low-emission zone for road traffic have been proposed for Istanbul[90] and it has been suggested that Turkey's vehicle tax system should be changed to better charge for pollution. Yoninah (talk) 19:05, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Not unless "Istanbul" and "Bosphoros" are suddenly the same word. Kingsif (talk) 04:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kingsif: In terms of inter-urban transport such as ferryboats yes "Bosphoros" is part of "Istanbul" (like the Thames ferryboat from one Tate Gallery to the other is part of London transport) but I can reword it if you think that would be better.Chidgk1 (talk) 07:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: It would be fine if the article said Bosphoros and the hook said Istanbul, because the Bosphorus is in Istanbul and so logically it can't be anywhere else. However, Istanbul is much bigger than the Bosphoros, and so the hook could be inaccurate/is claiming something that the article does not say. If the article said a ferry in London, you couldn't just assume it was the Thames, is the point. Kingsif (talk) 08:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kingsif: OK I tweaked the wording and also added a quote from the report to make clear they are talking about the short distance ferries not the ones which go to Yalova or suchlike places. If there is anything else which needs improving for the DYK or otherwise please let me know.

You need to sign comments for pings to work, but the article has now been updated and ALT6 should be good. Kingsif (talk) 14:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1:@Kingsif: Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't really see the ALT6 hook fact verified in the sources. Footnote 89 is a Dutch study that mentions electric ferries according to their use in Norway, not Istanbul. Footnote 91 is a news item that they're starting ferry service on the Bosphorus; no mention of air pollution. I can't access footnote 90. Yoninah (talk) 21:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I have added the following quote from cite 90 "Dedetaş also said that among their future plans is to put electric ferries into operation due to environmental purposes." The second frontispiece page (before p1) of cite 89 explains it is "A report on air pollution and its sources in Istanbul and the current Dutch developments that can contribute to a better air quality in Istanbul" (they must have been generous to their Scandinavian neighbours to also mention Norway). I hope that is enough. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
That's why I gave it an AGF tick: I couldn't access the source, but the GANR seemed to confirm all sources. Kingsif (talk) 12:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 12:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)