Talk:Zumbi

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I think it is important to mention tha people in Brazil tend to repudiate the term "afro-brazilian", which tends to be implied by foreigners to the Brazilians of Black origins. --Pinnecco 22:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand what is meant by "the Maroons were no match for the Portugese military." The statement before, that they managed to fight for 67 years, directly contradicts this.Dkceaser 00:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)dkceaser

Quilombo dos Palmares

Surely Quilombo dos Palmares deserves an article of its own; currently it redirects here. Daniel Brown, "Songs of Slavery", Index on Censorship, Volume 36, Number 1, 2007, p. 138–140, on p. 139 refers to the kingdom as "Los Palmeros"; I've made that a redirect to Quilombo dos Palmares, but it seems wrong to make it a redirect to one man. Brown says it was "about one-third the size of Portugal", survived through the entire 17th century, and had a population of "up to 20,000 people," and that its social and agricultural patterns reflected those of Africa; however, Brown's article (which was mainly about music) isn't much of a reference for size or population, especially if stacked up against Braudel. - Jmabel | Talk 21:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Zumbi and the word "zombie"

Leonard Abrams, creator of the film "Quilombo Country," has suggested to me that Zumbi's name lives on in the word "zombie"--that is, a person who defies the grave. Any lexicographers out there care to comment? --Ken Atkatz katkatz@nyc.rr.com, 16 March 2009

In the lusophone wikipedia the word "Zumbi" is said to come from the african word "nzumbe", the very same orign of the word zombie. Actually, in Brazil the word zumbi means zombie, but I am not sure about the relation between him and the word been intentional. 189.13.141.54 (talk) 01:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Introduction expansion need

Please... 140.120.55.63 (talk) 10:45, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

This article is balls

Hi, I'm a historian from Brazil, I hope you know that the account here about Zumbi is highly fictional and less than 1% is corroborated by modern historiography. Zumbi was NOT raised by a catholic priest, did NOT fight for the end of slavery in Brazil, did NOT fight capoeira(which was created only 50 years after his death)and did not do most of the other things this article mentions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.95.10.17 (talk) 13:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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adding information

I plan to explain further on Quilombos communities under the Quilombos section with regards to the inhabitant’s occupations and means of production. For this I will be using the journal article Zumbi and the Republic of Os Palmares page 62. It is important to provide a better understanding of the Quilombos establishments.

Under the importance today section I want to write about how Zumbi is a symbol for blacks and Brazilians in general. This information would come from the journal article Jorge Froes, Ronald Augusto and Joao Batista Rodrigues and Bruce Wills Callaloo Vol. 18, no 4, African Brazilian Literature: A Special Issue (Autumn, 1995), pp. 751-752. The image of Zumbi today is important in understanding the historical impacts of his life.

Under the importance today section I also plan on writing some of the commemorating events and projects for Zumbi still held today. This information will come from the source article The Quilombo of Palmares: A New Overview of a Maroon State in Seventeenth-Century Brazil p 547 by Robert Nelson Anderson. It is important to show how Zumbi has shaped modern day Brazil and its people.

Under the origins section I plan on expanding the information on how the settlement was first found. It is unclear on how the settlement began and that is an important aspect of how it functions. I plan on using the source article Brazil’s Little Angola by Brian Fagan.

Under Quilombos section I am going to add information on the internal conflicts amongst the inhabitants of these settlements. This is important because it allows us to more fully understand the society and in relation to Zumbi. I plan on using the source article Conflict and the Interpretation of Palmares, a Brazilian Runaway Polity by Pedro Paulo A. Funari. Frankp007 (talk) 00:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Under Quilombos section I plan to add more information on how the settlements interacted with the Portuguese, how many settlements there were, and their timespans. I believe that this would add a important back-story to understanding Zumbi and what he stood for. I plan to use the reference the source article of Palmares: An African State in Brazil by R. K. Kent in the Journal of African History vol. 6 No. 2 (1965) pp. 161-175

Frankp007 (talk) 03:06, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Muslim

I read some articles in Arabic resources that he was a Muslim. Can we add more information about his religion and his religious rule.وسام زقوت (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't seem likely. Zumbi descended directly from Congolese royalty. If I remember correctly, nobility in the Congo had adopted many European aspects -- including religion, which was Catholic. Sources I've read suggest that Zumbi was brought up as a Catholic. This, combined with his family history, makes it more likely that he was Catholic.

Additionally, it doesn't seem plausible that there was much direct Islamic contact with the Americas in the 1600s. Perhaps there was some indirect contact, but I'd imagine it wasn't nearly enough for an isolated warrior-king to adopt an entirely new religion. HistoricallyAccurate (talk) 07:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)