Talk:Your Love Is a Lie
Latest comment: 13 years ago by Lizabethdawn in topic Explicit Words
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Green Day edit
Perhaps it should be mentioned that this song is completely derivative of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams", which came out no more than four years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.197.249 (talk) 07:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- The songs have the same key and a similar chord progression in the verse, but the melodies and harmonies are all different. And additionally, similarity can be pointed out in many other songs as well! Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire has a similar rhythmical and chordal progression as Green Day's Jesus of Seberbia (Tales of Another Broken Home)! In pop and rock music, most all songs are based of a limited amount of chords. Unlike classical and jazz, unique chord progressions are not the focus, so there is no need to point it out. However, if you do want to continue this discussion further, find some reliable sources to back your claims up. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 13:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with the first poster...Despite similarities between many songs out there, it is noticeable, and is quite relevant. Perhaps we can post audio clips of both songs for "reliable sources". Guitar Tabs would be another suggestion...Highly doubt you will find exact sources on this topic therefore your point is mute. I have posted on it.64.252.13.97 (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- That is where you are wrong. I highly doubt you will find reliable resourses, therefore it doesn't go on Wikipedia. Please read WP:RS. Furthermore, in pop and rock music (excluding metal here), most songs are based off the I, IV, V, and sometimes the ii and vi chords. Although the verses both do have the same chord progression, the harmonies and melodies (and not to mention the rhythmical styles) are completely different. That is why pop and rock songs are distinguishable, NOT because of their very similar chord progressions. And, posting tabs would not prove anything either. Why? Because the harmonies, melodies, and the rhythmical feel are completely different. If we added that it has the same chord progression as Boulevard of Broken Dreams, we'd also have to write about other similarities in virtually every other single pop and rock song on this encyclopedia. Sorry. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 22:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- You seem to have your chords progression mixed up with. This song features a i - ♭III - ♭VII - IV progression. I have found a reliable source from BBC, how much more reliable do you want regarding the matter. It is a credible published source with a highly reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. If not we could always reference the wikipedia page regarding chord progression and said examples. There is no rule against doing that. Perhaps you should forget your obvious conflict of interest and read up on WP:CONFLICT and allow the edit change. 64.252.13.97 (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Don't accuse me of WP:COI. Yes, I like the band, but that does not equate me of editing in favor of them. Also, there are rules against original research. Please read WP:OR. Lastly, I want the record to show that this is the first time 64.252.13.97 has provided a reference. I was not arguing in favor of the band for the band because of my liking the band, but because he never provided a reference before his/her latest post. Because of this however, I will back down my arguments. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 22:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- You seem to have your chords progression mixed up with. This song features a i - ♭III - ♭VII - IV progression. I have found a reliable source from BBC, how much more reliable do you want regarding the matter. It is a credible published source with a highly reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. If not we could always reference the wikipedia page regarding chord progression and said examples. There is no rule against doing that. Perhaps you should forget your obvious conflict of interest and read up on WP:CONFLICT and allow the edit change. 64.252.13.97 (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- That is where you are wrong. I highly doubt you will find reliable resourses, therefore it doesn't go on Wikipedia. Please read WP:RS. Furthermore, in pop and rock music (excluding metal here), most songs are based off the I, IV, V, and sometimes the ii and vi chords. Although the verses both do have the same chord progression, the harmonies and melodies (and not to mention the rhythmical styles) are completely different. That is why pop and rock songs are distinguishable, NOT because of their very similar chord progressions. And, posting tabs would not prove anything either. Why? Because the harmonies, melodies, and the rhythmical feel are completely different. If we added that it has the same chord progression as Boulevard of Broken Dreams, we'd also have to write about other similarities in virtually every other single pop and rock song on this encyclopedia. Sorry. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 22:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with the first poster...Despite similarities between many songs out there, it is noticeable, and is quite relevant. Perhaps we can post audio clips of both songs for "reliable sources". Guitar Tabs would be another suggestion...Highly doubt you will find exact sources on this topic therefore your point is mute. I have posted on it.64.252.13.97 (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Explicit Words edit
Is it really pertinent to the article to have in the lead paragraph exactly what explicit words are said in the song? Or to spend a few sentences detailing how many times the band has said something explicit in the song?Lizabethdawn (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)