Talk:You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone (song)

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Requested move 1 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. I'm just not getting claims of long-term significance for a song that failed to chart. I just looked it up and listened to it on YouTube for the first time in my life. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone (song) → You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone – The song is the primary topic ili (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 02:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

• @ILIL and BarrelProof: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
• Only a 1.4:1 pageview ratio. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NOPRIMARY. 162 etc. (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
• Support The only other article with the name is You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone (album), which was named after the song. The song is linked in dozens more articles than the album. ili (talk) 18:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose: There are lots of albums that have the same name as their title track. That doesn't automatically make a song primary, and a pageview ratio of 1.4:1 does not indicate that the topic is "highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, ...—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

The song is the lead single from a top 40 album by the Beach Boys. The Saint Etienne album is a greatest hits collection that had no chart showing. Saint Etienne must have sold >80 million less records than the Beach Boys. I don't understand why there'd be any question of the song being the primary topic. It's undeniable that the song is far more notable. ili (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Songs has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 02:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Rock music has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 02:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose NOPRIMARY. The two titles are about equal in views. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NOPRIMARY. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 21:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose NOPRIMARY . And should not have been a technical request. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
• I have restored the DAB page which can be deleted if moved. The song gets 659 views compared with 507[[1]] for the album and as pointed out the album is named after it but I'm not sure it qualifies as primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
• Support The track meets the standard of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; particularly the criterion relating to long-term significance. Mkcaldwell (talk) 17:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. No WP:PTOPIC. Over the last year, the album got 30% more views than the song, 4,707 vs. 3,675. Narky Blert (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.