Talk:Yasin al-Hashimi

GA Review

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Reviewer: CPA-5 (talk · contribs) 11:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll do this one. Sorry for the long wait until someone came to review this GAN. I'll do this one soon I have some work here and there. May I ask you which kind of English this article uses? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi CPA-5 Thanks for taking up the review. I used American English. --Al Ameer (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Great to hear, I'd probably have a review tomorrow or Friday (have a lot of other reviews to work in a couple of days). Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Okay never mind I do have some time to review this GAN right now. Cheers.

• Shouldn't the article use an Arabic name template? I'm not an expert in Arabic culture nor am an Arab. But wasn't there a system where the child has a given/father's and grandfather's name in their name? Not like we Westerns who use given and family names.

@CPA-5: Pre-modern Arabic names often were "given name/son of father's name/son of grandather's name" and so on, and many people would have a nisba indicating their town or region of origin or their clan, tribe and even ethnicity in some cases (ex, "al-Kurdi"). In the case of this article, the sources use a more modern template. Accordingly, he was born Yasin Hilmi (given) Salman (father) and adopted himself the surname "al-Hashimi" as a nisba claiming descent from the Banu Hashim clan of the prophet Muhammad. Also by "modern" I mean approximately post-Ottoman. Hope this clarifies things. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Al Ameer son: Maybe add a note about his nisba or so? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

• @CPA-5: In the “Military career” it is mentioned how and why he adopted the Hashimi surname, but I added a link to nisba (onomastics). I hope this suffices in light of the absence of sources that would provide us more details on his family background and name. Al Ameer (talk) 15:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

• Yasin Hilmi Salman (Arabic: ياسين الهاشمى‎‎; 1884–21 January 1937) Unlink Arabic because of common term.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• was an Iraqi politician who twice served as the prime minister Current countries shouldn't be linked.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• survived the coup and made his way to Damascus, Syria Same as above.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• born as "Yasin Hilmi" in Baghdad in 1884 Unlink Baghdad.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• claimed descent from the Islamic prophet Unlink Islamic because of common term.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• middle class, Sunni Muslim and ethnically Arab Unlink both Sunni and Arab because of common term.

Done, though Sunni Muslim (or Sunni Muslims in Iraq?) might be worth linking. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• descendants of the Turkish Karawiyya tribe Unlink Turkish because of common term and is there a link for the tribe?

Done. Unfortunately there's no article on the Karawiyya (never heard of them myself until I saw it in that reference). I'll look into starting one though if sources are available. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• into the Ottoman Military Academy of Istanbul and graduated Unlink Instanbul because of common term.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• at Galicia during the Russian offensive.[7][3] Reorder the refs in numerical order.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• subsequently promoted to major-general Major-general needn't an hyphen.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• French and British rule in Syria and Mesopotamia Pipe both Syria and Mesopotamia to Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon and Mandatory Iraq.

A bit tricky. In 1918 the French had not yet taken over Syria; they entered Aleppo and Damascus in 1920; And the British, while they controlled Palestine by 1917, the Mandate did not begin until 1920 (if I understand correctly). Please advise. --Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• with Turkish general Mustafa Kemal Capitalise "general".

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• who was fighting the French in Turkey Current countries shouldn't be linked.

Done. Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• after which he was moved to different places in Palestine under strict British supervision Looks like MOS:EGG applied here with Palestine. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Same as above with Syria and Mesopotamia. Mandate for Palestine did not start until 1920. Should these Mandates be linked anyway for convenience sake? 1917/18–1920 represents kind of a limbo period in the Fertile Crescent. Oncenawhile might have a solution since he has edited/researched this period extensively. --Al Ameer (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

More to come

• Al-Hashimi was allowed to return to Syria via Egypt in early May 1920 Pipe Egypt to the Sultanate of Egypt.
• the British controlled Palestine, Transjordan and Iraq This looks EEG so maybe add "the Region Transjordan".
• Turks were occupied by their war in Anatolia Link Anatolia.
• Although Faisal's British advisers were wary British advisers.
• In order to co-opt the tribal British co-opt.
• chief of staff v. chief-of-staff.
• 1936 Bakr Sidqi coup and moved to Lebanon Pipe Lebanon to the Greater Lebanon.
• the government of Egypt Pipe Egypt to the Kingdom of Egypt.
• the consuls of Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and a Damascene Unlink current countries.
• included Boy Scouts, Orthodox Boy Scouts, Kurdish Boy Scouts, Iron Shirts Link all of those youth organisations.

I'll continue with the sources, images, and infobox later on. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

CPA-5 All done, except last point: there are currently no articles on those particular youth organizations. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Sources

• Unlink the Google Books' URL of Allawi book due Google Books doesn't give us a preview for the book.

This url gave me a preview. Please check and let me know if otherwise. Al Ameer (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Where are the links or source codes like ISBN, OCLC, ISSN and so on with the sources of Marr and Khadduri?

ISBN/OCLC's added. Couldn't find the link for the 2nd edition of Marr that is currently used. There is a google books preview for the 3rd edition, I might just substitute 2nd with the 3rd.

• Unlink Muslih's URL. Only if Google Books give us a preview of the book then we can add the URL.

I replaced the url with one that gives a limited preview. Al Ameer (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Tarbush's ISBN is dead on my screen.

Fixed I believe. Al Ameer (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Images

• All the images look good in my view. I only hope that some of the images would get better quality.

I'm with you on that. I'll look for more PD images. --Al Ameer (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• "Died: January 21, 1937 (aged 63)" First switch the month/day/year system with the day/month/year style. Also maybe change the "(aged 63)" to "(aged 52–53)" because first, he'd be 53, not 63. Second, we don't know when his birthday was so we should assume he was between 52 to 53 years old.

Wow, thanks for noticing that glaring discrepancy. Fixed now. --Al Ameer (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 16:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I highly appreciate you taking the time to review this article. Let me know if there's anything else that needs work. Cheers, --Al Ameer (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• The ISBN of Tarbush is still a dead link. I think it is my pc, internet or maybe a security problem within my country. I do not think that's a problem as long the readers can read it then it's fine. I believe we can pass this one and hopefully, we'll get better quality images in the near future. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)