Talk:Women in piracy

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A significant minority ?

Including a 14th century Breton noblewoman and a Chinese bandit - which is scraping the barrel a bit - the total number of authenticated female pirates doesn't seem to run to double figures. Bonny and Read, OK, but in what way are they "significant" ?Boulet rouge (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

They are significant because the profession was so male dominated and extreme. Also, there are over 40 authenticated female pirates with some of them well worth mentioning such as Lady Killigrew who was a pirate captain for 40 years and especially Asian women such as Huang P’ei-mei (operated 1937-1950) who was the leader of 50,000 pirates. Wayne (talk) 07:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

On Citations...

If you look at List of pirates, we have done some extensive citing of sources for each person on the list, but it seem this list is heavily lacking citations. I'm going to add a {{fact}} tag to anyone on the list that does not have an article or cited source for the information. - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

PHEWWWWW Give me a minute lol. It's almost 3am and I only just added almost 2,000 words to the article and a heap of sources only a few hours ago. I'm still working on reformating to match the List of pirates page. I have multiple sources for ALL of the tags you added including the pirate you deleted. I held off adding these sources as they lack detail. I've been looking for better detailed references than the summaries found in most articles by historians. Wayne (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

no worries, just tagging it... work on it whenever you get a chance... 3AM is a terrible time for thinking about sources, etc... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Reformatted. I'll work on references and add more detail after the weekend. Wayne (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing verifying the accuracy of this source: http://www.costumefashions.com/Pirates/ElegantPirateLady.html - 222.154.238.36 (talk) 04:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe some of them can be found in other wikipedias? Here, for example, is the Article of Johanna Hård in Swedish wiki [[1]]. She was active along the coast outside Gothenburg ca 1813-1823, were she and her companions plundered ships, mostly in the arkipelago. In 1823, they were put in trial and her male accomplices were executed or imprisoned, but she was released in lack of proof and disapeared. I'm sure other wikis has such articles also. --85.226.235.214 (talk) 12:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. i'll look into it. It's difficult to find much in English for some of them. Wayne (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

There's no such thing as The Red Lady (Veronica). It has no sources and I know a friend posted it to impress a girl we know named Veronica. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.114.191 (talk) 22:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Comment length...

A couple of the entries have some quite long comments. I think you would be better off just having one or two lines max per entry. Some of them have most of a stub listed under there. Maybe take the longer entries, and make stubs out of them once you've gotten the sources under control... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The long entries are only for those who do not have their own page. Once I've finished this article I'll look at starting articles for those so the comments can be reduced to summaries. Leaving them long for now gives others the opportunity to create a page themselves or research further using that info as a starting point. The seven Vikings mentioned in the Gesta Danorum can be combined in one article as they will never be be more than stubs on their own. Wayne (talk) 07:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Alice Fish et. al. in 'Other pirates'

This section was just a warning that Alice Fish was not a historical pirate and that she should never have been listed on Wikipedia. That kind of thing is more appropriate for the discussion page. --Otterfan (talk) 20:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

More examples

The sister of Gustav Skytte, Anna Skytte, are described as being involved in his article; she knew about it and had one pirate murdered.--85.226.44.74 (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Princess Cecilia of Sweden at least financed pirates.--85.226.44.201 (talk) 13:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Elissa ("Dido"), the founder of Karthago (470 BC). I think she was truly wellknown. Mzo HH (talk) 16:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC) mzo HH

Cheng Chui Ping / Sister Ping

This individual is apparently a garden variety smuggler, not a pirate.
Delete?
Varlaam (talk) 21:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

She was arrested for taking hostages, money laundering and a lot of other stuff besides people smuggling so may just squeak in as a pirate? she is also named in a few lists of pirates. Wayne (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

You should include Grace O'Malley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_O%27Malley

I could edit this topic, but English is not my mother tongue. : ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.33.77.139 (talk) 12:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Where's Ching Shih?!

Why doesn't this list have Ching Shih, who was one of the most successful female pirates of all time? She needs to be added in immediately! Asarelah (talk) 18:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Aethelflaed?

Why is Aethelflaed of Mercia on this list. Taking "...command of the fleets to rid the seas of the Viking raiders." is not piracy.Mannanan51 (talk) 04:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)mannanan51

Elise Eskilsdotter

Elise Eskilsdotter should be included--Aciram (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Christina Anna Skytte also--Aciram (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Red Lady (Veronica)

Is there any backing for this person actually originating outside of Wikipedia? I've been poking round the internet and every reference has almost the same wording, and is usually taken from this article. There's a brief mention in a fiction book called The Caretaker's Son, but that also looks suspiciously like it came from the Wikipedia article. (151.225.173.86 (talk) 01:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC))

Yeah, I've had the same experience. Plus "reveals her true identity, immediately kills everyone on board and sails the ship away singlehanded" seems a pretty stupid and implausible way to operate. In the absence of anything to confirm her existence, I'm removing her from the list. Binabik80 (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

"Pirette?"

I was surprised to learn that the term for a female pirate was 'pirette'. In fact, I was so surprised, I decided to research the origins. I've pretty much drawn a blank. Near as I can tell the term is not only not widely acknowledged, it's barely used at all (certainly not in the project Gutenburg link seemingly relating to it). A quick Google search shows 52k results for 'pirette' and only 15k results for 'pirettes' (mostly relating to muppets characters). One of the only sources I can find for its use is...this article. Is there evidence that this term is used widely enough to be used here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.222.123.38 (talk) 22:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)