Talk:Windows 11/Archive 1

Archive 1

it exists

it was leaked recently yeah https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22535123/microsoft-windows-11-leak-screenshots-start-menu Wintermintleaf (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't exist yet

While every sign points to it, it is not certain it will be Windows 11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown-Tree (talk • contribs) 02:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

At the moment the leaks say (particularly the winver window) it will be called Windows 11. If Microsoft announce it under a different name then the page can be quickly moved. --DL6443 (^Talk/_Contribs) 03:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

At least keep it for now...

Though that there's news widely circulating about "Windows 11", it stands right now as a leak. There's not much official information available at the moment. Don't delete the page until Microsoft formally announces its existence at the event, it may go under a different name... who knows?

AzriStara (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

More reliable sources?

Is The Verge a reliable source? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 11:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: The Verge is a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#The Verge - pivotman319 (📫) 15:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Pivotman319 That's good to hear. Not sure how I'd incorporate that citation to the article though. I'll look into it though. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Please stop adding images of the "logo"

These images are fanmade and not official. Please stop adding them to the page. While they look almost exactly the same as the ones shown in the OS' winver, they still aren't official. Zaitalk 13:34, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

-Zai- Good lord, the article done it again... Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 02:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Official logos usually have a copyright on them so I think home-made images ("fan-made" is derogatory) are perfectly fine. --Maxl (talk) 11:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Logos are fair use. Always. Sigh. Valery Zapolodov (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2021

Change the Image Example to the included picture. This will be more in-line with the Windows 10 article and removes unwanted names. This is an official screenshot, so use it. Thanks in advance.

File:Windows11-UX.png

Use this image instead!!

P.S. If you need more OS screenshots, please message me. Please be specific if you do.

Nicholas428 (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: file was since deleted. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 21:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Why was it deleted? --Maxl (talk) 11:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

It was deleted because it's a copyrighted screenshot, but it was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Commons doesn't accept copyrighted images. – numbermaniac 09:05, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Windows kernel isn't a hybrid

This article has claimed that Windows 11 has a Hybrid kernel because of WSL2. This claims were unsourced or appeared as a major misinterpretation of the sources used. WSL2, for all intents and purposes (and fair enough, this is a simplification) is a virtual machine that has access to the hosts file system and not mush else. The Linux kernel isn't used to run anything within Windows. Claiming this is a hybrid kernel would be the same as installing Windows in a VM on macOS and claiming that that makes macOS run on Windows NT. Not to mention that WSL is an optional component that even after activating still requires you to actually download the Linux kernel (as part of a WSL distro like Ubuntu) from the Microsoft Store. That's simply not how a hybrid kernel works and would imply that if I installed multiple WSLs then all of these would be part of that hybrid kernel, which is nonsense of course. Thus I've removed these claims from both this article and the Windows 10 article. --YannickFran (talk) 08:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

No. A kernel type can be a microkernel, monolith or hybrid. This does not concern the amount of subsystems (1 or several) the architecture can run. The NT architecture is used as an example of a hybrid kernel, because, and I quote, "classified as a hybrid kernel [...] rather than a monolithic kernel because the emulation subsystems run in user-mode server processes, rather than in kernel mode as on a monolithic kernel". "NT" is not a kernel type. "WSL" has nothing to do with this. --Cmpxchg32b (talk) 10:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Aah, indeed, regardless, it lists Windows's kernel as a combination of Windows NT and Linux, which just isn't true. --YannickFran (talk) 10:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no such thing as WSL2. It is just rebranding of Hyper-V. WSL1, on the other hand, is what can be called not emulation. Just like WINE, which is "Wine is not an emulator".Valery Zapolodov (talk) 22:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

No RTM date

The "RTM date" specified on the page is actually the date the version will be announced (the "What's next for Windows event"), not when it will be released to manufacturing. The release to manufacturing date is currently unknown.

Proposed change: Remove the Release to manufacturing date or change the release to manufacturing label to "public announcement" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.3.186.52 (talk) 07:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done 0x9fff00 (talk) 10:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

leak info

perhaps the leaked data on windows 11 should have its own section. beepborp (talk) beepborp (talk) 06:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

TPM 1.2 vs 2.0 inconsistency

In the System requirements section, it says that TPM 2.0 is the minimum required for Windows 11. However, the table next to it says that only TPM 1.2 is required, but 2.0 is recommended. This seems to be inconsistent. Which one is correct? – numbermaniac 07:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

In Microsoft's wording BOTH are considered "minimum requirements"; those who have 1.2 will be warned of a degraded experience but allowed to run W11, whereas 2.0 will have no issues at all. Admanny (talk) 08:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

No, TPM 2.0 is the absolute bare minimum requirement: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-does-away-with-soft-floor-updates-minimum-windows-11-specs-with-tpm-2-0-requirement/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:C000:1430:B14C:8CDC:208C:D17 (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Not an official source. Plus, MS backtracked and updated the page. Admanny (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

DirectStorage

DirectStorage only requires an NVME SSD using PCI 3 or greater. These are the requirements specified in the developer event. DirectX 12 Ultimate and the SSD being 1 TiB in size were not mentioned. 81.170.119.205 (talk) 18:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Look at the cited ref here: [1]. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Release date leaked

The release date was actually known to be October 20, 2021. And why is everyone undoing my edit? It was actually leaked on the images of Windows 11 on Microsoft's official website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4394:2110:183:1cac:3f86:b5c (talk • contribs) 00:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Please read WP:SPECULATION. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:37, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Windows11.png

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Kernel

Kernel only 1. And hybrid is a kernel architecture, which does not mean that 2 cores are combined into 1. Nghiemtrongdai VN (talk) 04:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Beta version

Can we create a different section for the beta version? It will contain the requirements and how to get the beta version. So y'all agree? WikiSilky (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2021

Change latest preview from 22000.100 to 22000.120 EdyDev (talk) 18:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there a source for that? —Locke Cole • t • c 18:26, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Microsoft makes it harder to switch default browsers

What is the good section to include a reference to that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williambarth (talk • contribs) 08:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Williambarth there's already some references about difficulties changing default apps in the Launch-section. Do you have a text in mind that would expand on that? Ofc we'd also need reliable sources. – NJD-DE (talk) 08:18, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2021

The Windows 11 editions for now appear to be as follows:

• Windows 11 Home
• Windows 11 Pro
• Windows 11 Pro Education
• Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
• Windows 11 Enterprise
• Windows 11 Education

Source 1: Source 2: Source 3: Source 4: Kamilcho (talk) 22:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Updated and attempted to remove the warning infobox but that wrecked the page, so undid the infobox removal.

Windows 11 - Wikipedia (quicklink), Missbellanash (talk) 07:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The names of the different editions are already part of the table in the Updates and support-section. – NJD-DE (talk) 08:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

He wanted the different builds in the product list. It's done. Missbellanash (talk) 07:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Windows 11 versions section is yet incomplete

Windows 11 - Wikipedia as seen is a placeholder list

The section will have text defining the major differences.

Something like this Windows 11((text)) (DVD version downloadable) is {change changes change} bulletpoint etc.

Don't edit this. Missbellanash (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

On versions: At a Ignite conference Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows", a statement that Microsoft confirmed was "reflective" of its view... with new builds and updates to be released over time. ...speculation of a new version or a redesign of Windows ...a job listing referring to a "sweeping visual venation of Windows" was posted by Microsoft.... a visual refresh for Windows.

Microsoft Windows Versions: Compare Windows 11 Home vs Pro Versions | Microsoft Missbellanash (talk) 16:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit Collison

What happened -- I committed this table {| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" border="1" with the different builds, hit pub after preview check then the new table drooped to the bottom of the page crushing the other table. Change reverted. Missbellanash (talk) 02:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Missbellanash: your table had some formatting errors, I've restore the table and fixed those errors. While I didn't change the text size, I will note that per MOS:SMALL small text should generally be avoided, so I'd recommend you removing the <small> tags. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, you're a champ! I had problems committing that table and had to remove it, was actually a lot of doing to get it right for wiki markup -- I really appreciate the help! I will remove the tag, too, I'm going to look for an acceptable method for a few minutes...it's just too small for phones. Thanks again! Missbellanash (talk) 03:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Complete, tables are fully compliant. I will watch for descriptive text for that, atm I don't have anything in mind to add. Missbellanash (talk) 03:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2021

Please add Windows 11 Insider Build 22471.100 to the "Windows 11 versions"-table under "Updates and support". Kesuku (talk) 20:20, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Microsoft stated not to. Missbellanash (talk) 07:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Windows builds are versions

Edits by Purplneon486 undone versions and replaced the term with EDITIONS also removing the references. Windows builds have always been referred to as builds and versions, nomenclature has always denoted versions, the references are required. Undoing Purplneon486 change. 06:49, 13 October 2021 Examples: - Windows 10, version 21H1 | Microsoft Docs ANd Windows 10 - Features that have been removed - Windows Deployment | Microsoft Docs

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The thing is Microsoft itself is using both versions and editions as synonyms in their commercial pages (Example: Compare Windows 11 Home vs Pro versions who in the title is using versions but in the body is using editions), but inside the OS the distinction is clear: Editions are Home, Pro, Education... and Version is (atm only) 21H1 / Sun Valley. So the thing is what criteria we will use for an encyclopedic article? My opinion is using the denominations who are inside the OS instead of the mismatching Microsoft is doing in their commercial pages. --Pablo Honorato (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@purpleneon486 please discuss major edits here (talk) before committing. Missbellanash (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

About the requirements

Microsoft is still letting PCs that don’t meet the secure boot, BIOS, or TPM “requirements” upgrade to Windows 11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.253.233.145 (talk) 21:57, 2021 September 15 (UTC)

Is there a source for that? Also, sign your comments by adding four tildes to the end. Now, I will admit I have watched a video saying it's possible to modify the iso to let you install without the requirements, but we still need a source. 24.124.10.14 (talk) 18:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

TPM 1.2 is not needed: https://gist.github.com/AveYo/c74dc774a8fb81a332b5d65613187b15 109.252.90.174 (talk) 10:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

any random tpm is good i think Princestephenstar (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

What is a random TPM? TPM - trusted platform Module - is a hardware device or some software built into a CPU, **randomness** as in..?

Today I installed Windows 11 on this computer using bypass.reg as described on THIS https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/installing-windows-11-without-tpm-2-0-and-secure-boot-registry-bypass.284107/ page.

Nothing further is required, the operating system is activated with my personal key.

Windows 11

Picture attached. Missbellanash (talk) 20:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC) Missbellanash (talk) 20:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

A random TPM means either software (emulated in Minix operating system in PCH or in Vmware) or TPM 1.2 HW /2.0 HW. Any one of those is not really needed. 109.252.90.119 (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

The way that's written suggests Minix OS has something to do with TPM requirements for Win 11 and it does not. The only way to meet Microsoft's requirement for a TPM to allow installation of Windows 11 without a TPM is to remove checking for a TPM as seen here Install Windows 11 (microsoft.com) or by similar methods that can be found via the internet {'bypass.reg'}. Missbellanash (talk) 07:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

It does obviously, Minix is PCH/Intel silicon OS, without it nothing from USB to PCIe will work. TPM part too. Also, when will you update that TPM 1.2 is enough? 109.252.90.119 (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2021

At the "Development" section, just before the "Announcement" subsection, change the text:

"Microsoft began to implement and announce some of these visual changes and other new features on Windows 10 insider builds, such as new system icons (which also included the replacement of shell resources dating back as far as Windows 95), improvements to Task View to allow changing the wallpaper on each virtual desktop, and adding the Auto HDR feature from Xbox Series X."

to

"Microsoft began to implement and announce some of these visual changes and other new features on Windows 10 Insider Preview builds, such as new system icons (which also included the replacement of shell resources dating back as far as Windows 95), improvements to Task View to allow changing the wallpaper on each virtual desktop, emulation of x64 applications on ARM, and adding the Auto HDR feature from Xbox Series X."

Changed "Windows 10 insider builds" to "Windows 10 Insider Preview builds" and added "emulation of x64 applications on ARM,". The sources for the second change are [2] and [3].

Thank you! 93.35.191.88 (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done - hako9 (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2021

On the versions section, change the sentence "The Windows Insider program carries over from Windows 11" to "The Windows Insider program carries over from Windows 10". This clarifies the sentence which previously said the dev program for Windows 11 carried over from Windows 11, which makes no sense. Thank you! --93.42.65.133 (talk) 13:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:47, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2021

Development section, Release subsection: please replace the word "Updates" of the final sentence with "Upgrades", as updates may refer to patches and new features and not a new OS altogether. Thank you! 93.42.69.104 (talk) 10:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Nathanielcwm (talk) 02:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Add Javascript to languages

Windows 11 includes components written in Javascript — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minusium (talk • contribs) 05:17, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Released to manufacturing date

Wasn't Windows 11 released to manufacturing on June 28, 2021 instead of October 5, 2021 when it was released to Windows Insider channels? On the Windows 10 Wikipedia they use the date July 15, 2015 when it was first released to Windows Insider channels --Aaron106 (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Ads

Windows 11 contains built-in advertising in quite a few areas of the OS. Would it be appropriate to include a section about this, or more generally a criticism or controversy section, as is found in many other Wikipedia articles? Sources are easy to find and I feel the information is relevant, but I'm not feeling quite bold enough to just edit the article on my own volition. Stian (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Image adding request

Image — Preceding unsigned comment added by THEVERYLOL30 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@THEVERYLOL30: If this is your own image please upload it to commons. It is not clear what the rights on this image are since you've just posted a random imgur link. If this is not your own image please state why you want the image to be added to the article, the relevant rights of the image and where you sourced the image from.Nathanielcwm (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nathanielcwm:I uploaded it to commons because i took the screenshot,the link is this THEVERYLOL30 (talk) 10:55, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Nathanielcwm, I tagged the image on Commons for speedy deletion as screenshots are derivative works and Microsoft's copyright policy is incompatible with that of Commons. The screenshot could however be uploaded to Wikipedia as non-free content, like e.g. File:Windows XP Luna.png. – NJD-DE (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Mention the FSF's critical response to Windows 11

I could not find anything about the critical response of the Free Software Foundation to Windows 11. Please also include that in the article. Emanuel Loos (talk) 10:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Incorrect RTM date

the RTM date should be October 4, because June 24 is when it hit public beta CDur82283 (talk) 01:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2022 (2)

Can you add the word "best" on the introduction? How many people disliked 2020? 2601:205:C002:D1E0:B0B7:360C:595E:DD5E (talk) 08:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: opinions are not to be added into articles. 💜  melecie  talk - 14:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2022

Can you change the sentance? Here it is:

Original: "Across all platforms Windows 11 runs on a share of 2.6% of PCs."

Rephrased: "Across every single platform throughout history, Windows 11 has a run on a quota of 2.6% of PCs and laptops." 2601:205:C002:D1E0:D11:AA22:BE7:46C1 (talk) 06:08, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: i don't see why it needs to be this verbose, the original is easier to understand 💜  melecie  talk - 14:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2022

+Available lp.cab language packs !Language/region !English translation !Surface !Samsung !HP !Lenovo !Asus !Acer !Dell !LG 105.163.1.224 (talk) 04:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2022

Can you add this link? There is confirmed source about Windows 11 ice cream which happened in mid 2021. Ice cream 204.129.232.191 (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2022

At the Reception section, remove the following paragraph:

Marc Menzies, president and CTO of Ronkonkoma, N.Y.-based Overview Technology Solutions believes that “Microsoft is doing the right thing by prioritizing security” with Windows 11, and that he is “fine with them prioritizing security over being able to roll this out to every computer.”

This may be an implicit ad. 93.42.69.97 (talk) 14:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, done. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 03:34, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Windows Subsystem for Android

The page Windows Subsystem for Android redirects here so I was thinking should it be separate page with technical details? Limyx826 (talk) 03:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Remove the huge language chart.

There are 13 NO in a hard-to-read "yes/no" chart with about 48 rows. At six slots each that's 288 opportunities and no is holding down that chart with only 7% of the power. Can we relieve no and let them retire into the sentence format below..? Missbellanash (talk) 08:14, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Languages

I don't see a row of Thai in the table for languages. Quang, Bùi Huy (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Initial release date

There appears to have been a brief edit war earlier in the month about the initial release date (October 4 vs. 5) and the only source cited for this date had long been Panos Panay's official blog statement which had been prepared on October 4, 2021, but clearly stated a release date of October 5 as the date was reached in each time zone around the world.[4] However, User talk:Jm.Huang did bring up a support document which has the other date (October 4).[5] I'm inclined to believe Panay because I remember Windows 11 getting pushed out on that day in my time zone, but alas WP:OR. So I'm going to be bold like Schrödinger and place the date as BOTH with both sources until someone has more concrete confirmation of one or the other. —Pippinitis (talk) 09:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)