Talk:William P. Ragsdale

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Caeciliusinhorto in topic GA Review
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Did You Know
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the part-Hawaiian William P. Ragsdale (pictured), known as the "King of the Lepers", influenced Mark Twain's 1889 novel A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court?
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Additional sources edit

  • Inglis, Kerri A. (2013). Ma‘i Lepera: A History of Leprosy in Nineteenth-Century Hawai‘i. Honolulu, HI: University of Hawaii Press. ISBN 978-0-8248-6579-5 – via Project MUSE. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)
  • Law, Anwei Skinsnes (2012). Kalaupapa: A Collective Memory (Ka Hokuwelowelo). Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press. ISBN 978-0-8248-6580-1. OCLC 830023588 – via Project MUSE. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)

Death edit

In 1898, Mark Twain wrote:

We all know about Father Damien, the French priest who voluntarily forsook the world and went to the leper island of Molokai to labor among its population of sorrowful exiles who wait there, in slow-consuming misery, for death to cone and release them from their troubles; and we know that the thing which he knew beforehand would happen, did happen: that he became a leper himself, and died of that horrible disease. There was still another case of self-sacrifice, it appears. I asked after "Billy" Ragsdale, interpreter to the Parliament in my time--a half-white. He was a brilliant young fellow, and very popular. As an interpreter he would have been hard to match anywhere. He used to stand up in the Parliament and turn the English speeches into Hawaiian and the Hawaiian speeches into English with a readiness and a volubility that were astonishing. I asked after him, and was told that his prosperous career was cut short in a sudden and unexpected way, just as he was about to marry a beautiful half-caste girl. He discovered, by some nearly invisible sign about his skin, that the poison of leprosy was in him. The secret was his own, and might be kept concealed for years; but he would not be treacherous to the girl that loved him; he would not marry her to a doom like his. And so he put his affairs in order, and went around to all his friends and bade them good-bye, and sailed in the leper ship to Molokai. There he died the loathsome and lingering death that all lepers die.[1]

Relatives edit

Mr. Dowsett married Annie Green Ragsdale of Honolulu and they were the parents of thirteen children, James Isaac, Jr. (deceased), Alexander (deceased), Phoebe K. (Dowsett) Raymond, Edward Ragsdale (deceased), Mary K. (Dowsett) Parish, Alexander Cartwright, Annie K. (Dowsett) Kirklady, Elizabeth Jane (Dowsett) Knight, David A. (deceased), Rowena N. (Dowsett) Turner, Samuel Henry K. (deceased), Marion C. (Dowsett) Worthington and Genevieve N. (Dowsett) Dunbar (deceased).

Ragsdale was the son: Author interview with Cari Castro, a Ragsdale descendant. William Ragsdale's father,Alexander Ragsdale,arrived in Hawaii in 1819 and married a Hawaiian woman of minor royal birth. The couple had three children: Annie, William, and Edward. One of Annie Ragsdale Dowsett's grandchildren, William Dowsett, later adopted her maiden name as William Kamanao Ragsdale, to continue the Ragsdale line after William died in the colony.[2]

Bibliography - Pennie Moblo edit

KAVEBEAR The link for Pennie Moblo under Bibliography is no longer valid. Or, perhaps it just doesn't work with my browsers. However, if you have JSTOR subscription, I found the following that might substitute. — Maile (talk) 22:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

  • Moblo, Pennie (Autumn 1997). "Blessed Damien of Moloka'i: The Critical Analysis of Contemporary Myth". Ethnohistory. 44 (4). Duke University Press: 691–726. doi:10.2307/482885. JSTOR 482885. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)
  • Moblo, Pennie (September 1998). "INSTITUTIONALISING THE LEPER: PARTISAN POLITICS AND THE EVOLUTION OF STIGMA IN POST-MONARCHY HAWAI'I". The Journal of the Polynesian Society. 107 (3). The Polynesian Society: 229–262. JSTOR 20706810. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)
  • Moblo, Pennie (June 1999). "Leprosy, Politics, and the Rise of Hawaii's Reform Party". The Journal of Pacific History. 34 (1). Taylor and Francis Ltd.: 75–89. JSTOR 25169428. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)
  • Moblo, Pennie (Winter 2007). "Reviewed Work: The Colony: The Harrowing True Story of the Exiles of Molokai by John Tayman". The Journal of Pacific History. 81 (4). John Hopkins University Press: 889–890. JSTOR 44452181. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)

GA Review edit

This review is transcluded from Talk:William P. Ragsdale/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Caeciliusinhorto (talk · contribs) 20:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply


@KAVEBEAR: Once again I find myself reviewing one of your Hawaiian history articles which has been languishing as a GA nominee for months. This one is rather shorter than Liliuokalani was, though!

At first look through, the article looks pretty good.

Initial comments:

  • Infobox and lead say that Ragsdale was born c.1837; section on early life just says 1837 without qualification. Should be consistent!
  • Changed.
  • Linked.
  • Article described Luther Halsey Gulick Sr. as a "missionary descendant". I would read this as "descended from missionaries", but LHG's own article says that he was himself a missionary to Hawaii.
  • Changed to just missionary. He was both.
  • Do we know anything about Ragsdale's education? The fact that he worked as a translator for the Hawaiian legislature and a lawyer suggests that he was well educated...
  • Sources doesn’t give a clue.
  • Article says that Twain "returned to writing" a story based on Ragsdale's life: had he been writing a story based on Ragsdale before his death?
  • Changed to “later wrote”. It didn’t make sense before with returned.

Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oh, one further prose comment: lead says that Ragsdale was "known famously for being luna or superintendent of the leper colony of Kalaupapa". "known famously" is a little strange: I would just say "known for". I have changed it, but feel free to tinker if you have a preferred solution.

Now for the GA criteria:

  • 1a: Aside from my few minor quibbles above, prose is fine.
  • 1b: Complies with MOS:LEAD,MOS:LAYOUT & MOS:WTW; MOS:FICT and MOS:LIST do not apply.
  • 2a: Yes.
  • 2b: Modern sources are reliable: two academic articles, and a history book which though written for a popular rather than academic audience, by a non-specialist, seems to have received good reviews and have been cited in academic sources. Older sources used to support non-controversial points or as sources of quotes. All fine.
  • 2c: Everything is appropriately cited: no obvious OR problems.
  • 2d: The copyvio detection tool picks up only the blockquotes from Twain and the obit., both of which are appropriately cited. I can't see anything which looks particularly likely to be plagiarism outside of that.
  • 3a: There are a few places where I would like to see more detail (where/how was he educated? when did he start/stop working as a translator/lawyer), but I suspect this is one of those biographical articles where such information simply isn't available. And of course per the Croughton-London Rule we don't expect as comprehensive articles about such relatively minor figures as Ragsdale as we do about more major topics!
  • 3b: clearly fine.
  • 4: I see no neutrality problems.
  • 5: Perfectly stable.
  • 6a: both images used in article are out-of-copyright.
  • 6b: images both relevant and with clear captions.

I'm going to go ahead and pass this.

  1. ^ Twain 1898, pp. 62–63.
  2. ^ Tayman 2007, p. 343.