Talk:William Bliss Baker/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk · contribs) 21:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I'm starting this review. I should be done by Monday at the latest.Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Looks good overall. I'm just not clear on how he "discovered the property" for his future studio. Did he see it and then buy it from someone ("property")?
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	The lead section should be a summary of the page and doesn't need citations for information that is already in the body of the page. Citations for things like he was an American painter or that he studied with Bierstadt and de Haas are already in the body and don't need citations again.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	I'm a little confused about the references for the works list. There are two sources at the bottom for the titles. Do the years without in-line citations also come from there? I also like to see in-line citations at the end of each paragraph, but three paragraphs end without citations.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	I checked most of the online sources and the NYTimes ones, but not the offline sources, which I accept in good faith.
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	I'm on the fence about if there is too much information on Baker's father and brother. What do you think?
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	I'm a bit sad that the source for Hiding in the Haycocks is unknown. Is there a way we can be sure this is a painting by William Bliss?
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	On hold, based on the above comments. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC) The page passes with flying colors! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): Here are replies to specific items of concern mentioned above. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

6a: The source of the scan is unknown. That it's in that museum is not in question. I've added a clarification to the image on Commons and added a ref to the listing in the article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

3b: I included the information since I thought it was relevant as his early life. His grandfather, father, and perhaps his brother could all have individual articles if I did a little more research. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the information might as well go on the page. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

1b: I'll move the citations out of the lead. Back when this was written, it was much more common to include refs in the lead. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

This is done. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:28, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

2b: There's not really anything I can do here. I can bring the offline sources to you so you can look at them if you wish. Otherwise, there's nothing for me to do here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, that was a reminder to myself to see what other sources I could check. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

2a: I'll see about including a ref for every entry. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

It looks like this is the last thing to fix. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm curious: do you want a ref for paragraph that states where he is buried? There's a picture showing his headstone (I actually asked someone at a WikiProject to take the picture, which they did, and then they uploaded it). I'd have to look to see if there is any print (online or off) that states this. I figured the picture would be good enough for that. Outside of that, the lead, and the paintings in the list, there are no paragraphs that don't have at least one ref in them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): I dug around and found a ref for where he's buried. All of the paintings have individual refs now. I also added a few more I found when looking for information. Everything should be good now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Nice job finding the sources for the paintings. Each paragraph should have a citation at the end of it. I put cn tags in the two spots I'm thinking of. I tried to find a source for the house not doing tours but instead I found this Facebook page stating that there was a tour last year, maybe though the Ballston Lake site? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

It's possible that I'm being over-zealous in requiring these citations... They're not required at the end of every paragraph like in DYK. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): DYK only requires that every paragraph have a citation, not that it end with one. Regardless, I've added refs for the two items. Is there anything else that needs work? I appreciate your help in pointing out areas of improvement for this article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: I see, sorry about requiring more and thanks for adding the extra citations. The page definitely passes GA! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

1a: What is there is what was in the source. He was fishing at the lake and discovered the property where he eventually built a studio. The source doesn't include any additional information. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:39, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay, sometimes sources aren't as clear as we'd like. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know if there is anything else that should be fixed. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC)