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Sensor bar

Any idea on which physical principle it works?--Nemissimo II 09:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

See Wii Remote#Sensing. JQF 17:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing infrared, like most remotes use. Jecowa 05:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The bar has infrared LEDs on each side, and the Wiimote detects these and uses this to estimate where on the screen it is pointing. TheWarlock 16:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, on the question about why the American Wiis came with Wii Sports and not the Japanese is simply because Nintendo wanted North American to become more fimilar with Wii's new technology- J CIP 20:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently a pair of candles work instead of the sensor bar, i saw a vid on youtube while i was looking at "Wii have a problem." the link is http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/index.php?p=2, the inserted window under the title "sensor bar optional!?" 69.210.208.47 23:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The sensor bar emits infrared light at both end of the bar. The remote sees these two lights, and judging from where the lights are in it's field of view, it can see which angle it is pointing relative to the screen. Based on the height of the two lights to each other, it knows if it is tilting one way or the other. Finally, based on how far apart the two lights appear from each other, it knows how close or far away it is from the screen. Adding this information to the remote's own tilt sensing and accelerometer (motion sensing), this gives the system a great deal of data explaining the remotes location and orientation in 3D space. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Adeon/bar.jpg Bradibus 21:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

should Wiimote be mentioned?

Its called the Wii-mote not wii remote, If you dont know about it dont edit it!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach The Video Game Guy (talk • contribs) .

It's called the Wii Remote, not Wii-mote. And this is Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. // Sasuke-kun27 20:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sasuke is right, it's called the Wii Remote. It was the press who started saying Wiimote/Wii-mote, but the controller is still the Wii Remote. TJ Spyke 21:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that it's fine to call it the wii-mote on the talk page, just not in the article.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 01:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but doesn't it at least deserve a mention in the article? If no other reason than for clarification of the distinction between the two? I believe that the word wiimote, which I believe was coined by Matt Cassimisina at IGN Wii, has had a profound effect on many people's perception of Nintendo PR and Marketing. In fact, I remember an interview with Perrin Kaplan, VP of Big N's Marketing in the US, where she specifically said that someone had made a slip during a speech and had called it a Wiimote, making the joke that Matt had done some marketing spin for them. LavaHot 09:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Although Nintendo has referred to it as the Wii-mote before, the retail package used in North America reads "Wii Remote / Télécommande Wii / Control Remoto Wii." "Wii Remote" seems to have been their final decision for the English name. Jecowa 05:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Remote was always the correct name. Every statement released by Nintendo (not interviews with PR people) only says Wii Remote. Also, The Wii Remote page makes mentione of the incorrect name. TJ Spyke 05:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

ok, Wii Remote is the correct name, bu i haven't heard anyone say wii remote in everyday conversation for months. as just about everyone calls it by the incorrect name i think it diserves to be mentioned in the artical. J.L.Main

The only people i've seen call it Wiimote are people on messageboards. It's mentioned on the Wii Remote that it's unofficially called that. No need to mentione the wrong name anywhere else. TJ Spyke 00:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you even discussed it outside of messageboards? the point of wikipedia isn't to provide some information on some topics. the point is to be an encyclopedia and like it or not the wiimote is most often refered to as wiimote not wii remote.J.L.Main 00:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

TJ already said that "Wiimote" is mentioned in the Wii Remote article. Besides, just because one name is used more frequently than another name doesn't mean we have to say it everywhere.

P.S. - You misspelled encyclopedia. // Sasuke-kun27 00:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

i'll grant that but even so we should mention it to try and prevent as much confusion as possable. Both my mom and the guy i bought my wii from thought that the wiimote and wii remote were two different things. we can help to prevent this type of misconception by simply sticking in, "sometimes refered to as the wiimote or wii-mote."J.L.Main 22:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The wrong name should be used as little as possible. There is a link already to the Wii Remote page, we should try and provide factual and correct info and not spread the idead that Wiimote is in any way correct. TJ Spyke 22:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the nature of wrong and right? If the public commonly refers to it as the Wiimote, then it's at least worth mentioning. Similarly, PS3 isn't a trademark of Sony, and yet it's used continunously in the article and in general to refer to the system. 221.19.139.92 04:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The company does call it the PS3 as well, Nintendo doesn't call it the Wiimote (I said company, Reggie mentioning it in a friendly conversation isn't official). TJ Spyke 00:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians should not seek to determine who is "right" or "wrong." They should instead follow procedure to determine common usage on an objective basis. Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. The most common use of a name takes precedence. If the common name conflicts with the official name, use the common name except for conflicting scientific names. The name "Wiimote" is 1.61 times more prevalent than "Wii Remote" in the Google search excluding the term "wikipedia" and only showing results in English (other languages uses are not relevant on the English Wikipedia). Below are Google result numbers as retrieved on November 27 2006.

• The query "Wii-mote" yielded 564,000 results.
• The query "Wii controller" yielded 739,000 results.
• The query "Wii remote" yielded 900,000 results.
• The query "Wiimote" yielded 1,360,000 results.

Is it acceptable to use "Wiimote" as the section name and use "The Wiimote, officially named the Wii Remote, is a one-handed controller that…" as the opening line? Jecowa 04:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it would make more sense to state "The Wii Remote, more commonly named 'Wiimote'..." to avoid confusion. Just64helpin 17:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

i think it has been shown that the term wiimote should be at least breafly mentioned.J.L.Main 09:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's mentioned on the Wii Remote page, that is more than enought. Wikipedia is not the pace to help spread misinormation. TJ Spyke 00:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

wiimote is the most common name for the item, many people think that the wiimoat and wii remote are two different things and wikipedia is a place for all relavent information to be presented.J.L.Main 00:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiimote is 100% wronf though. Unless you find a good reason to keep it in, then it will be removed. The $300 version of the Xbox 360 is commonly called the Tard Pack, but we don't include that in. Where has anybody been stupid enough to think they are different things? The fact that people incorrectly call it the Wiimote is already mentioned on the Wii Remote page, there is no reason to mention it here as well. TJ Spyke 00:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have already given good reasons to include the term "Wiimote." Consider the naming conventions and the naming conflict guide. "Wiimote" is not only as commonly used as "Wii remote," but has 161% the hits that "Wii remote" has. "Tard pack" only has 1.3% the hits that "Xbox 360 core console" has. Stupidity is not relevant. Titles do not have to be official legal names. Most common usage is what matters. Consider Samuel Clemens. Jecowa 05:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe you would presume to reply to the talk page without reading what has been said before. you have not made a single new arguement and every one you have raised has already been refuted. if you had read just my past posts you would be awear of two people who thought they were different. and then there is a third person just today that overheard me talking about the wiimote with a friend and, thinking he would join in, stated that he thoughtthe wii remote was cooler than the wiimote. i am not going to discuss this with you any more untill you read the past posts on the subject. it just shows how terrably stupid you are when you try to enter a written debate without reading what has already been said.J.L.Main 04:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Please get your facts straight son. I did read the repies, none of my points have been refuted (the main one being that the only correct name is Wii Remote). Your "friend" thinking they are different is not proof. Even if you had reliable sources (which you don't) that anybody is foolish enough to think that "Wii Remote" and "Wiimote" are different things, it wouldn't make a difference. Mentioning the wrong name on the Wii Remote page is more than enough. TJ Spyke 04:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wiimote" is nothing more then slang, and is mentioned in the separate article. Do I call it the "Wiimote"? Yes, but that doesn't make it the correct term. ConnertheCat 15:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wiimote" is not slang. "Slang - Language that is outside of conventional usage" - wiktionary:slang. "Wiimote" is definately in conventional usage. It's even more-used than "Wii remote." Jecowa 16:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiimote is slang, and is not the correct term for the controller. TJ Spyke 17:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not it's slang, it's still the most commonly used term for the controller. There are guidelines that support using the most commonly used name of a subject. According to Wiktionary "Wiimote" is not slang.Jecowa 19:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

| ||Wikipedia has a code of conduct: Respect your fellow Wikipedians even when you may not agree with them. Be civil. Avoid making personal attacks or sweeping generalizations. Stay cool when the editing gets hot; avoid edit wars by following the three-revert rule; remember that there are 6,822,947 articles on the English Wikipedia to work on and discuss. Act in good faith, never disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, and assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming. 04:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop arguing! And for the record, it is called the Wii-mote. Check the nintendo page for the wii, it says it on that web page. So, someone change the name of the remote to the Wii-mote!! Oh, and you can also hook up another part to the remote called the Nunchuck. Oh and also, how can anyone edit it if you keep protecting it you [Thoughtless comment removed.]! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.63.18.184 (talk • contribs) .

Be civil. If you would like to edit a semi-protected page, you can do one of three things - Register/Login, request for unprotection, or discuss your change in the talk page. The Wii Remote is called the Wii-mote by lots of people, but the official name is "Wii Remote." Where exactly on Nintendo's website do they still call it the "Wii-mote?" All I can find is "Wii Remote." Jecowa 00:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, it's spelled "Nunchuk" and not "Nunchuck". TJ Spyke 01:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

TJ Spyke, would you please continue to discus here. You had stopped responding to the discussion here. Jecowa 01:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The policy applies to the main article. The Wii Remote article does mentione the wrong name, that doesn't mean that every article that mentions the controller needs to mention the wrong name. The commn usage policy says to use that for the object's article, and like I have said before it does. TJ Spyke 02:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The naming convention (common names) guideline, by the way, says to use the most common name in the article's title. This is not being done on the Wii Remote article. Why should it not be mentioned here? The main article mentions it. It's not hurting anything. To clarify to readers that "Wiimote" is not the official name, how about starting the section with "The Wii Remote, unofficially known as the Wiimote, is a…" This would teach readers that "Wiimote" is not the official name which would have a side effect of deterring angry people telling us what name is the "right" name on this talk page. Many people use the term "Wiimote." Many of them might be interested to know that it isn't the official name. Jecowa 02:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I cannot believe this discussion is happening. The official name is Wii Remote, that's a fact. By not having the "unoffocial name" "Wiimote" in the article, I believe people would realize that the official name is the Wii Remote. Also, I see that you used Google as part of your argument, I'd like to point out that Google searches are not definititive, terms can often be spammed to increase the count. Dionyseus 03:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, "Wii Remote" is the official name. I'm not saying that the official name isn't "Wii Remote," I'm saying that "Wiimote" is the more common term for this subject and should be included. The Google tests show wich terms are most commonly used. The Google page says that the Google test is great for determining popular usage. Jecowa 05:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, please refer to the Q & A section at the top of this talkpage. [1] We don't call it The Wii, or the Nintendo Wii, the official name is Wii. Similarly, we don't call it the Wiimote, or the Penis, the official name is Wii Remote. Dionyseus 03:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that "Wii" is a good title for this article. "Wii" is about four times more common than "Nintendo Wii." The term "Wiimote" is used much more often than "Penis" to refer to the Wii Remote. Jecowa 05:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The term "Nintendo Wii" seems to be more common than "Wii" in retail marketing (for clarity if nothing else), and referring to the console with a "the" is common grammar for mass-produced items (as contrasted to a company or group name, such as Apple or Microsoft). As for the Wii Remote, I agree with Jecowa's last statement in that the nickname "Wiimote" is already mentioned in the Wii Remote article, but for sake of factual accuracy needs little to no mention in other articles which refer to it. --Stratadrake 04:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It is factually accurate that "Wii Remote" is the official name. It is also factually accurate that "Wiimote" is more common than "Wii Remote." Jecowa 05:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The only people I see saying "Nintendo Wii" are people like retailers, who usually get many terms wrong, but that's besides the point. I think the mention in the Wii Remote article is enough. TJ Spyke 04:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Lots of people besides retailers call it the Wiimote, but that's besides the point. I don't think the mention in the Wii Remote article is enough. Users have changed "Wii Remote" to "Wiimote" a many times on this article. People have made it known that "Wiimote" is the official term on this talk page. Clearly, the article as is isn't making it clear enough that "Wii Remote" is the official term. By explicitly mentioning that although "Wiimote" is more commonly used it is not the official name, people will be less likely to think that it is wrong and change it. The naming convention suggests that the the most common name be used. Because we are not, it should be mention what the most common name at the article and it's section here. If we do not mention it here, then I think we should move the article "Wii Remote" to "Wiimote" per common usage. Jecowa 05:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I completely disagree. The solution is simple, next to all mentions of Wii Remote, put in hidden text the following: "Do not change this to Wiimote, see discussion." Dionyseus 06:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Dionyseus is correct, just put it in hidden text. That way if someobody tries to put in the wrong name they will see they are not supposed too. There is no reason to habe to mention the wrong name on articles other than the one about the controller. TJ Spyke 04:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, putting notes in the source would help. It does not hurt to mention the most commonly used name in the article, though. We can do both. Jecowa 04:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe this discussion is lasting so long. its not that big a deal. im not asking that we right six paragraphs about the term "wiimote." all i'm asking is for seven words, "more commonly referred to as the wiimote." i don't understand why you think this is going to bring about the downfall of civilized culture and destroy wikipedia as we know it. and T.J.spike, i'm the same age as you are, don't refer to me as son. and you main argument is that there is no point to place "wiimote" under the section on it and this has been refuted. please get you facts straight. J.L.Main 07:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't try and insult my intelligence if you don't want to be called "son". Also, my argument has not been refuted. TJ Spyke 04:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, since the term "Wiimote" is so common, explicitly stating that it is just the more common name would clear up many people's misconceptions. Readers should not have to visit the Wii Remote article to learn this. Being that the unofficial name so much used that it's more common to see than the official name, this information is relevant enough to present here. Jecowa 04:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This article is not about the Wii Remote though, it's about the system itself. TJ Spyke 04:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

if we were to follow the standard rules of debate, i know we aren't but for the proposes of this post i'm going to assume we are, if we were to follow the standard rules of debate it would be the case that any of my points that you didn't counter would be granted. in my last post i made the claim that your main argument is that there is no point to place "wiimote" under the section in discussion. you did not refute this claim and in such you granted it. my subsidiary point was that the claim "there is no point to place "wiimote" under the section in discussion" had been refuted. your response to this was "my argument has not been refuted." you have provided no points to support this and in such you are taking the six year-old's approach to this and simply saying "ua-ua." Also, if you don’t want me to insult your intelligence than try posting an intelligent response. later i'll post a list of your arguments and how they were refuted. J.L.Main (talk • contribs) 10:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Unfortunately you continue your argument, User:Jecowa. If people truly cared about what the common name for the control is, they can type "Wiimote" in the search bar and they will be redirected to Wii Remote. It's not necessary for the Wii article to contain the common name "Wiimote." I hope you will drop this argument, but if not I guess we will have to undergo dispute resolutions. Dionyseus 10:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that necessaty neither is nor should be basis for exclusion. if we were to remove everything in wikipedia that isn't necassary we would hve to remove all of wikipedia. the question is not "is it necassary" the question is, "is it relavent and useful" and the answer is yes. J.L.Main 03:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"if we were to remove everything in wikipedia that isn't necassary". 100% false. Is it relevant and useful on the Wii Remote page? Yes. Is it relevant and helpful on the Wii page? No. TJ Spyke 04:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry your wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28common_names%29 Clearly states that the common name is to be used and whilst it talks about the page titles as a special case, it does not make a distinction against titles of things used in a page. It's been demonstrated that its common name is Wiimote. Placing the hidden text about not changing it without consulting the talk page was presumptious because this dispute has not been solved. It is a fact that according to Wikipedia guidelines the title of the section and the title of the separate article should be Wiimote, with the official name mentioned in the text of the article. Ajmayhew 14:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

TJ, it seems you are out voted. You, Jecowa and i are the only constant posters on this discussion page. two of us say it should be included and we provide good backing as to why. you are the only constant poster arguing against it and you have yet to raise one good argument against its inclusion. we have shown that "wiimote" is more than relevant as it is the most commonly used name. We have shown that it is not redundant, more people read this section than read the article on the wiimote and some people don't realize they are the same thing. Now, unless you can show that it is offensive it should be included. I know you find the term offensive, but i'm afraid that your hatred for the term is not criteria for showing it to be offensive. J.L.Main 20:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't find it offensive, it's just that there is no need to mention it on the Wii page. The policy you pointed out applies to the article on the Wii Remote, where "Wiimote" is mentioned. The policy doesn't say that every page where the Wii Remote is mentioned has to include the nickname. It's your opinion I haven't presented a good argument, I know I have. TJ Spyke 21:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that when J.L.Main says you find "Wiimote" offensive, he means that the term annoys you as you mention in this talk page and this edit summary. You seem to have some personal problem with the term "Wiimote" considering the remarks you made in [this edit summary. Civility is a rule for edit summaries, by the way. Jecowa 04:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I hated the term ever since the gaming press started using it because I knew situations like this would happen, and people would think that "Wiimote" is a correct name for the Wii Remote. TJ Spyke 06:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried saying this at the bottom of the page, to make the discussion easier to find, but I'll recap here real quick: "Wiimote" is an entirely acceptable nickname. It isn't "incorrect". There is every reason to use the term on the Wii Remote page. However, there's no need to include nicknames on the page for the system itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bladestorm (talk • contribs) 22:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

The policy applies to every use of the name of the article, not just the title of the page about the article

"Except where other accepted Wikipedia naming conventions give a different indication, use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things

Where's the distinction? 155.198.149.16 11:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

TJ, you don't even provide a defence of yourself. the only thing you say to defend yourself against my claim that you fail to defend your position is "I do to defend my position" that being said... WOULD A MOD PLEASE MAKE A DISITION HERE!!!! I DON"T CARE WHO"S SIDE YOU TAKE, I JUST WHANT THE ARGUMENT TO STOP!!!!!!J.L.Main 06:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I have provided a defense, but you choose to ignore it. BTW, technically there aren't any mods here, I think you mean Admin. TJ Spyke 06:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Fine, tell me what is is then. like this,

1. wiimote is a stupid term. thuse it is irrelevant 2. only wiinies use the term wiimote. thuse it is superfoulis ok? you do that and then i'll either consend and drop the point or tell you why each of your points fails to prove you position. than you can post why i'm incurrect. we keep the 1,2,3 format so that it can be more appearent who is correct. also, make sure to include what you are arguing, is it superfoulis, irrelevant, or offensive?J.L.Main 06:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought it had been made clear why "Wiimote" only needs to be mentioned on the Wii Remote page, but fine. When I log back on tomorrow we can do that, and anybody else can do the same thing. TJ Spyke 06:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's quite clear that "Wiimote" is more commonly used and therefore deserves at least a "...Wii Remote, sometimes referred to as Wiimote,..." statement in the Wii article. It doesn't matter which term is the official or unofficial one. As long as "Wiimote" is a frequent term - even more frequent than "Wii Remote" - it deserves to be mentioned in the Wii article. Lord E 14:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC) i assume you mean the wiimote section of the wii artical. the wiimote artical already mentions it.J.L.Main 23:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC) TJ, its been two days. where are your arguments? did you discover they were indeed non-existent? if you don't reply soon i'm going to assume you have conceded.J.L.Main 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for TJ but I have certainly not conceded. The word "Wiimote" does not need to be mentioned in this article, for the reasons I have stated above. Dionyseus 07:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

all you've said is that it is superfluous because it is mentioned in the wii remote article. you have not addressed the claim that it is important enough to be mentioned in both places.J.L.Main 07:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe my reasons are good enough. If you disagree, I guess we should move on to the next step in the dispute resolution process, an RfC. Dionyseus 08:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

i agree completely that we should move on to the next step. when the debate on weather or not to add "more commonly referred to as wiimote" becomes longer than the actual argument, then it is time to move on to the next step of dispute resolution.J.L.Main 13:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, what about a vote. If i ask everyone to vote on weather or not the term wiimote should be mentioned will everyone here abide by the decision of the masses? since logical argumentation isn't getting us anywhere i think a vote is a good solution.J.L.Main 03:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I want to go by policy rather than what the masses want. Dionyseus 03:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't go by "policy" because it doesn't cover such trivial issues. For example, both Grasshopper Manufacture and Goichi Suda refer to Suda's nickname, Suda 51. I suggest you ask at WT:CVG and WP:RFC for some outside input. As for myself, I really don't give a damn. - hahnchen 04:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

you want to go by polacy? does that mean you are switching over to the side of truth, aka the one that wants it mentioned? cause every policy that i know of either wouldn't apply or would have it metioned here.J.L.Main 04:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

you guys are all idiots. Nintnedo power launched information about how people in japan who signed up as a nintendo rewards member during a certain time frame recieved a television remote shaped exactly like a wii controller with the exact same button layout. this remote was packaged and released as the official "Wii-mote". The official name for the wii controllers are the "Wii Remotes"

Bobcheezy 00:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

first, with one exception i think we are all reasonably intelligent. sorry, now that you’ve posted i guess there are two exceptions. second, the TV remote being called a "wii-mote" has little barring on this conversation. we are all in agreement about the official name. the discussion is on whether or not the term "wiimote" should be mention in the section on the wii remote as it is more commonly referred to as wiimote.J.L.Main 01:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• Would you idiots stop reverting each other for a moment?. I logged a RfC because none of you have the presence of mind to escalate the dispute resolution process. Stop editing the damn article until we get some external commentary.Sockatume 12:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

USB memory card

Is there any information out yet about using a usb flash drive as a memory card. i figure it wont because they will want you to buy more of their products(unless they make them) but i really hope it does so i have an extra 60GB(portable HDD) of storage space.70.105.103.109 22:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)Masterpyro

Perrin Kaplin says they won't be supported at launch, but would be possible with a download in the future. TJ Spyke 22:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It was also mentioned that there's a slot for SD cards on the fron that can be used for memory expansion. I can't think where but there was also an article that said .mp3s on SD cards can be used for custom soundtracks at least on Excite Truck. Anyone remember where this was? BigHairRef | Talk 14:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

This was mentioned in an IGN Article, since they had the official boxed copy, with the final retail manual (as well as being able to play the game), and so this is confirmed. Eriol Ancalagon 19:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw an article about using mp3's with excite truck on ign. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.57.96.232 (talk • contribs)

Waitwaitwait... You can have custom soundtracks in the games playing MP3s off an SD card? WHY is this the first I'm hearing of this awesome feature? One of the biggest advantages I found with Xbox was this ability. 75.153.221.227 12:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

USB drives don't work. I tried it. You need an SD card or possibly an MMC card (since they are basically the same except that SD is a little thicker and has a lock feature). My MMC card is in my phone and missing right now, so I couldn't test an MMC card in it. :( Jecowa 05:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Playing old games?

So will this Wii be able to play old NES and SNES games? Can it play them straight off the cartridges or will I need special adapters? Would it be worth the money and the bother to buy the Wii just to play old games? JIP | Talk 11:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

See Virtual Console (Wii). You have to purchase them from their online service; you cannot use original cartridges. -- jeffthejiff 11:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• • good too, because some of the better NES and SNES cartridges contain a battery that would hold your saved game data. These batteries have been dying, causing your saved games to be reset.--68.34.10.182 13:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo's Wii will be able to play older games through it's Virtual Console (30 games already slated) however different controllers will be needed for different games (such as Mario 64 can't be played using the WiimoteJ CIP 20:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

For more information I suggest visiting the actual Nintendo site where they have a chart stating the controllers needed to play each type of game, I suggest maybe this chart should be included on this site as well192.30.202.29 20:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Game Development

There is a game development section in the PS3 article, shoudn't there be one here? I think the program LiveMove, by AiLive, should be mentioned- [3]
Also, I think it should be mentioned that game development for the Wii costs considerably less than the other consoles, as little as half- [4] and that Nintendo's shares have reached a record high in Japan in anticipation of the Wii- [5][6][7] BeefJeaunt 17:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC) Also other important points should be mentioned such as; "being easier to develop for" or "more cost effient" should be included in this article since it remains as one of the many high points on developer's minds (like my own)J CIP 20:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hardware details

Wasn't it decided to hold off on posting MHz details till IBM, ATI or Nintendo said something on the subject? When did the IGN numbers get added back in? Is there a new more reliable named source for them? The IBM technical specifications on the processor that is suspected to be the Broadway (the 750CL) has a clockspeed listed of up to 900MHz and it is apparently designed to use speed step quite heavily, the rumor has been going around since those details were made available that the rather odd clockspeed of 729MHz is simply an average speed.

In fact it looks like the sourced IBM numbers were replaced with the IGN numbers from the unnamed source in this update. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=88148062&oldid=88140082

I guess that until Nintendo tells us what's inside or someone opens up his Wii and takes a look at the partnumbers on the chips, we won't be certain what's inside. IMHO, the info put on the page should reflect the information currently released. And that means it's a PowerPC codenamed Broadway produced on 90nm SOI CMOS. Everything else is pure speculation. (Mausy5043 20:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC))

I think its about time the specs are put up. I also think the IGN specs are correct, as how GameFly, PC Magazine, etc are all using the numbers.
Plus IBM released a specs sheet about 1 1/2 months ago which is the same specs IGN released. This probably refers to the Wii's (Comment: The keyword here being: probably -Mausy5043) CPU.
http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/2F33B5691BBB8769872571D10065F7D5/$file/ppc750cl_ds_dd20_5oct06.pdf

The IBM Spec sheet actually says it is anywhere from a 400MHz(IBMPPC750CLGEQ4024) to a 900MHz(IBMPPC750CLGEQ9024) procceser and there is no 729 at all in the documnet(Catprog 1:31 + 1000, 20 November 2006)

There's no mention anywhere that this chip is in the Wii. Anybody got a picture of the CPU inside the Wii? Mausy5043 18:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Is USA today combined with the IGN article enough to put the hardware details in? (Catprog 05:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC))

I personally think it matters not how many sites on the Internet use the "729MHz" figure, they're still just speculation. They ALL cite the exact same source, which, in turn, is from IGN, and has no source of its own; they did not get the figure from IBM, Nintendo, or anyone reliable.

In fact, it's pretty clear when you look at it; when you compare the clock rates given, they merely increased the clock rates of the Game Cube's chips by 50%. Aside from that, IGN's figures pretty much claim that they are exactly the same chips, only they aren't; if Gecko were converted to 90nm (it was originall 180nm, for one quarter the space efficiency) it'd be FAR smaller, and consume much less than "30% less" power.

Similarly, the graphics chip cannot be simply a Flipper with a 50% clock rate increase and 24MB of EDRAM built-in. As it is a form of DRAM, I doubt that it could make the chip package as large as it appears, and it would not have added, for instance, the necessary pixel shader capacity to add the effects seen already in some games, such as how Twilight Princess uses a good deal of normal-mapping as well as HDR in the game, features that not even the original Xbox could hope to manage.

So, for the time being, I think it is best to remove any figures aside from those from IBM and Nintendo themselves. At the very least, try to select numbers that make sense; using a 90nm SOI process at IBM and TSMC's fabs, both yields and power consumption/heat loss would be such that one could easily push far higher than IGN's 'specs' and still get it all functional in such a tiny package. The CPU is perhaps up in the air, but the graphics chip was of the same generation as the rest of ATi's X1k-series GPUs. Nottheking 18:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Release Date Hijinks?

Should there be any mention of any of the lineups, or other activities that will or have happened surrounding the release of the console itself? It may be noteworthy, and deserving of its own section. Historical value if nothing else perhaps.

Just throwing the idea out there for others to comment on. Eriol Ancalagon 03:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

"Unlike the release of the PS3 which saw drive by shootings with BB Guns, muggings and a large number of fist fights; the Wii release day pased without incident."J.L.Main 22:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

7th Generation?

NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii. I count five.

Handhelds are not a new generation, they are a different platform!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.35.208.20 (talk • contribs)

The first two generations were before NES.--Ac1983fan 14:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Specifically, they're the Pong/Channel F generation and the Atari 2600 generation, respectively. 128.226.230.89 20:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Not quite. The Pong generation was not a general purpose console generation. The two generations were the Channel F/Atari 2600/Intellivision/Odyssey 2 (there are a few more I'm glossing over) and the "Super System" generation which included the Atari 5200 and Colecovision. Had the video game market not crashing in '83 and '84, the Colecovision would have most likely ended up as the top-dog console. So the seven generations are:

 # First Gen (Atari 2600/Intellivision)
 # Second Gen (Atari 5200/Colecovision)
 # Third Gen (NES/Sega Master System)
 # Fourth Gen (Genesis/SNES)
 # Fifth Gen (PS1/N64/Sega Saturn)
 # Sixth Gen (PS2/Xbox/GameCube/Sega Dreamcast)
 # Seventh Gen (Xbox 360/Wii/PlayStation 3)

I hope that answers the question. :) Jbanes 15:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Check out History of computer and video games for an explanation of the different generations of video games. TJ Spyke 20:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The 360 should be in the 6.5th generation since it came out so long ago :p. Toxic Ninja 03:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If you think that's bad, the Genesis came out 2 years before the SNES (Genesis came out in the US in 1989 and the SNES came out in the US in 1991). TJ Spyke 03:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Microsoft considers it "next-gen" like the PS3 and the Wii. They just went ahead and jumped the market. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 03:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Where's the Saturn and Dreamcast? Oracle128 03:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Saturn is 5th and Dreamcast is 6th if I remember correctly. I don't know why they weren't included.--Clyde Miller 03:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

They are now. 75.153.221.227 12:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

actually the second gen is divided between early and late second gen. the first gen was largely Magnavox Odessy, Atary Pong and Coleco Telstar. Atari 2600 and Intellivision were early secon gen along with the Magnavox Odessy 2 and Channel F, Atari 5200 and Colecovision were later second gen along with Vectrex and the SG-1000. Also the third gen should include the Artari 7800 and the fourth should include the Neo-Geo and in truth the TurboGrafx-16 but its not that importantant. than out of respect Atari's last sytem, the Jaguar should be included in the fifth gen along with the 3DO. J.L.Main 22:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Where's the virtual boy?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metazug (talk • contribs)

Red the History of Computer and video games articles. Also, remember to type ~~~~ to sign your comments. TJ Spyke 00:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Rumors and other release events

I, along with various other people, were told that there would a Gold Wii given away to one lucky person. This was at the Redmond, WA Game Crazy, which was apparently the official Release "party". GC employees just gave away old non-Wii Nintendo stuff, probably from Fusion Tour or E3. No special guests came. The only raffle was for a GBA Micro. They started selling Wiis at 12:01, but it took them an hour and a half just to get through forty people. There were already 300 people waiting line since noon, so they probably walked out by 5am.71.231.93.78 14:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

There were two official launch parties: Toys R Us in New York City (where Reggie sold the first Wii) and CityWalk in Los Angeles. There are no gold Wii's (unless someone spraypaints their Wii). TJ Spyke 23:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Push Wii back to 6.5. Considering that its graphics are so awful, the games must be pretty fun. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Downatball5432 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Wii Channels & Games available...

I'll leave the main page update to someone else, but here's the channels that are currently available in the US for WiiConnect24:

• Disc Channel (Current game inserted into the unit),
• Mii Channel
• Photo Channel (if you have inserted an SD memory card from a camera - works with pictures and video, including puzzle games you can play with the video, slide show with the photos, etc. Actually, it's quite fun)

The photo channel can play videos written by my Nikon Coolpix 4100 (quicktime) to the SD card. I have not tried using a video for the puzzle, but I will try sometime today. Gh5046 19:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I was able to get puzzle working with video taken by my camera. Format: Apple Photo - JPEG, 320x240, Millions 8-bit Unsigned Integer, Mono, 7.575 kHz. Another couple notable things are the buttons 1&2 can be used for fast forwarding and rewinding and videos can be played in reverse. Gh5046 03:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the article should mention the "help cat" (found inside the photo channel as a secret/fun/wierd surprise) yay. :p -Metazug

• Wii Shop Channel (Features cheesy Zelda-style elevator music while shopping) Current games: F-Zero (Snes), Sonic the Hedgehog (Genesis), Super Mario 64 (N64), Sim City (Unknown - most likely SNES version), The Legend of Zelda (NES) and Donkey Kong (Likely Arcade, unlikely Atari).
  • (slight comment: the Wii Shop music more of resembles the doctor's office music in EarthBound. Nottheking 18:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC))
• Wii Forecast Channel - Currently unavailable, as of 10:30 on November 19th, all internet updates applied.
• Wii News Channel - Currently unavailable, as of 10:30 on November 19th, all internet updates applied.

I can go through the US systems menu if anyone's interested. But if anyone can confirm these details so far, and thinks it is worth the front page, they can post it. Most notable now is the unavailability of news or weather forecasts. Ryanfenton 17:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Left-handed people

How about the lefties? Wii can be use by both left and right-handed people, but lefties may find very uncomfrotable the use of the wii-mote in the right hand, i.e. to aim. And Nintendo seems to ignore this fact. Only a few games will be full left/right compatible. Link, Zelda's character, was always a lefty. In the Wii version he's right handed!

Actually they confirmed (lost the reference) that in Twilight Princess you'd be able to choose a left- or right-handed Link, probably because the decision to switch his handedness was made so late in development of the Wii version. No word on whether it'll be swappable for any other games though, I'm kind of hoping it'll go into the TRCs. It'd be weird to be using my left hand to aim Samus' right. Sockatume 16:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't found any menu options for changing the on-screen handedness of Link. But you can easily swap which hands you hold the controllers in (Wii Remote and Nunchuck) - there is no inherent handedness to the controllers. Ryanfenton 17:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm a lefty myself, but I still mouse right-handed and thus won't have a problem with a right-handed Link. Still, we need a reliable source, and the game's manual makes no mention on this subject. --Stratadrake 19:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Even though I'm right-handed, I still want to play with left-handed Link because Link is left-handed. My sister is picking this up for me; I'll have it Wednesday night. If it has not already been determined by then, I'll be sure to tell you about it. Jecowa 22:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

FyiFoff 23:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC) they talked about this on Attack of the Show on the G4 network on TV, the major game designer of Ninetendo is a southpaw, they have a viewer Q and A about this. I'm sure there is something on there home page about it. You can even play the DS with your left hand, look at that "brain game", it ask you if you are left or right handed. FyiFoff FyiFoff 23:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I was playing Wii. You make a Mii, and your Mii is like your profile for the Wii. In Wii Sports you can choose to make your character left-handed or right-handed for the different games in Wii Sports (Tennis, Baseball [pitching and batting are separate], Bowling, Golf, Boxing). Hopefully the same will be true of Twilight Princess. Jecowa 23:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I have Wii. I have Twilight Princess. There is no option to change Link's main hand. It doesn't effect gameplay at all - they should have left link Left-handed. I'm left-handed and I don't care that he's right handed, only that he's not right handed. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You do know that there are more than 1 Link's? It's not the same Link in every Zelda game. Link is USUALLY not right handed. TJ Spyke 03:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Everyone is making a big deal out of Link's handedness, but the real travesty is that Heart Containers are broken into five pieces! I mean, how can they mess with such an important detail that we have grown to love??? A five-part heart container will NEVER be a true Heart Container, and that means Twilight Princess will NEVER be a true Zelda game!!! Sraan 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

lol Jecowa 06:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing the topic (referring to the two comments directly above mine). This a page for discussing changes and additions for the article. // Sasuke-kun27 20:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Link was never left-handed. Nintendo made it that way because the left hand is considered the fastest hand (best with a weapon) and the right hand is the powerful hand (best to block things with, e.g. using a shield). Colin Reding 05:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Aren't you supposed to be on wikibreak studying, Sasuke? Sraan 05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Uses of SD cards

I don't know if this has been answered anywhere yet, but I've been wondering if anyone has a list of known uses for SD cards as it relates to the Wii. Eric42 22:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

One use of the SD card is to store additional downloads from the virtual console library. Moreover, please see Ryanfenton's comment above. • s d 3 1 4 1 5 talk • November 19, 2006.

Another use of the SD card: The Photo channel. There are two sources of photos that you can use in the photo channel - SD memory cards and the message board. Photos can be imported into the game from an SD card. You can do lots of things with photos, such as editing and making a slide show. Also the SD card serves as a memory card that can store game data. Go to "Wii Options" in the main menu, then "Data Managements," then "Save Date." GameCube saved game data must be stored on GameCube memory cards, but Wii saved game data can be stored on the 2163 blocks of internal memory or on a SD card. Just to give you and idea, Wii sports is currently taking up 2 blocks on my internal memory. Jecowa 04:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Look also to Talk:Wii#Wii_Channels_.26_Games_available... for more on photo channel usage. Gh5046

Can the SD card be copied over to your computer in an effort to back up the fact that you have purchased the rights to play a certain Virtual Console game? PBaker 23:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Working list of known SD card uses (please add to this):

1. Store your Virtual Console games
2. Transfer photos to your Wii
3. Store your Wii saved game data
4. Play your MP3s in Excite Truck

Wii Colors

Right now the Wii only comes in white, but pre launch showned other colors. Is there any truth, future color to be released or different colors in other countries? FyiFoff 23:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Many consoles do that, it's just to show what the console could look like in those colors. Nintendo has said no other colors are planned at the moment, although I think they will eventually release at least 1 other color. TJ Spyke 23:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, we do have Gamecubes and 64s in other colors. I guess it's just a matter of time.WilburBillyPatriciaWillie the Walrus-^{talk to me} 18:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing black will be first. Jecowa 19:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I hope they don't overdo the colors like they did with the n64, remember the picachu one? Toxic Ninja 03:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Sells 600k+ on day 1

According to this website [[8]] it currenly shows us a constant up to date report on how many units have been sold, remember, These figures keep on changing every few minutes, and remember they may not be 100% accurate—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dctcool (talk • contribs)

They are not accurate, not unless the Xbox 360 somehow managed to sell 3 million systems since the end of September. I wouldn't consider them reliable. TJ Spyke 04:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

3 Million? how did you pass math? the units sold at the end of September was 6 Million according to the 360's wiki page, and that page currently says that the 360 has currently sold 7 million units, which means they would have sold an Extra 1 million consoles more in about 8 weeks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.116.249 (talk • contribs)

why not just say the numbers shipped like with the psp and ps2 for now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tim curry (talk • contribs) .

I'd like to know why nexgenwars.com is unreliable for Wii sales numbers but is reliable enough for PS3 sales numbers. I think the site is unreliable for both.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.247.62 (talk • contribs)

You are correct. I don't monitor the PS3 page so I didn't see that. TJ Spyke 22:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

"units sold" information deleted

Hey could someone who is registered please add the number of units sold.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.96.9 (talk • contribs)

We don't have any reliable numbers yet (and no,nexgenwars.com is not reliable). TJ Spyke 06:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by nintendo somewhere that some Wii's are defect and break after the 2nd update. NiVoMi 17:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A few days ago there was the information about units sold listed. Now someone deleted it. Maybe the number was inaccurate. But its official that Nintendo shipped one million to north america. According to analysts the console has sold out all over north america america. So please someone add the information about units sold. You can write something like: ¦units sold¦ aprox. 1 million. Selling information is always an estimate so noone can demand it has to be 100% accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.227.96.85 (talk • contribs)

Just wait for next month when NPD releases the figures for the launch. Dionyseus 11:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking that too - NPD: Nintendo Power or the official Nintendo site? I guess they'll (assuming it's the second option) release the figures somewhere near the end of December or closer to the 2007 year. Knuckles sonic8 23:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

NPD numbers are usually released arund the 14th, so November 2006 numbers will be released around December 14th. Unlike software numbers, hardware numbers are easier to come by. TJ Spyke 23:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That's good news. Knuckles sonic8 23:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Update: Sold 600,000 units in 8 days

[9] According to Nintendo, they sold 600,000 units of the Wii in 8 days. Please update the article with this infomation. Thanks. dposse 23:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Backwards Compatibility?

A quick question here:

The Wii console is backward compatible with all GameCube software and most peripherals.

So, obviously, "most peripherals" implies that, well, it's compatible with most peripherals... (duh)
But... the console isn't compatible with the modem adapter, broadband adapter, gameboy player, av cables, or ac adapter... That's 5 things.
It is compatible with the controllers and the memory cards. That's 2 things.
So, obviously, in order for it to be compatible with "most" gamecube peripherals, it must be so with at least 6 of them. (and this is assuming that composite, s-video, and component cables all count as the same single item) So... are there any others that it does work with? Or does that need to be reworded? Bladestorm 20:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Assumable it works with any special controllers - the bongos, the dance mat, any racing wheel that may or may not exist I forget. It also works with Freeloader, I hear, if that counts. Webrunner 21:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The microphone. --Thaddius 21:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What about it? // Sasuke-kun27 21:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I think hes adding to the list, but what does it matter, the wii controller has a built in mic.Toxic Ninja 03:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It has a built-in speaker, but that speaker is not a microphone. — Aielyn 04:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you cite a page that says it works with this "Freeloader"? Also, happen to know if it works with whatever cheat devices worked with the Gamecube? (gameshark? pro action replay? what are the youngin's using these days?) If both do, then that's definitely "most" peripherals that are compatible with the wii (when you count the microphone, bongos, etc). If not, then most do not, and it should be reworded. (of course, I figure, for now, it won't hurt to leave as-is, but somebody really should check up on that) Bladestorm 23:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I have talked to people online (who I do trust and they are reliable) who have tested the Freeloader and Action Replay, and both work. I can't cite them though since messageboards aren't allowed for citing. TJ Spyke 23:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The only freeloader I know and have at home for GameCube is just a simple disc with software on it used in order to play japanese and american (as I am from europe) import games. As it is only software I recon it should be useable with the WII. Dunno in which way the freeloader gets around the PAL restriction, but if it is just something like flagging the game as PAL (which I suppose, as you just insert the disc, load it, then eject and insert the JAP/US game disc) it should definately work. Aetherfukz 23:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, message boards might not be directly citable, but for the sake of something like this, I'd say that's good enough. Consider my objection... uh... abandoned? rescinded? meh. you get the idea. Bladestorm 23:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

"Most peripherals" is ambiguous in that it could mean peripherals by type or peripherals by the population (or rather, the amount in existence). If considering the latter, most of the peripherals out there are probably controllers and memory cards, not other items such as networking adapters. --Trakon 23:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Please, please, please show me where you heard Freeloader works with the Wii! The reason I ask is that I a) very much enjoy the couple of japanese GCN games I have, and b) have Freeloader and have tried it a couple of times already, and have gotten Disc Read Errors consistantly (also the case with japanese GCN games). I have tested legitimate, NA region GCN games and they work, as well as all my normal Wii games. This isn't just a matter of verification, but I would like to know as many details about the working attempts as possible to compare. --Author X 14:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

who ever said it had to be with the gamecube? Colin Reding 05:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Can you use a Gamecube controller to play Wii games?Soccerman111 07:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The GameCube controller will be compatible with very few Wii titles. One title compatible with the GameCube controller is Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but most Wii games will require the Wii remote. The GameCube controller will, however, work with most games on the Wii's virtual console. Jecowa 08:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Heads Up for Pictures

Just giving a heads up that I'll be taking some very nice pictures of the system and all of the accessories for the article. BlueMint 23:34, 20 November 2006

No need, I said I would do it and I will tonight. TJ Spyke 23:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Really? Where? BlueMint 23:39, 20 November 2006 (MT)

Right here: Talk:Wii/archive16#Controller Photo. I would have done it yesterday but my camera wasn't working. TJ Spyke 23:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, lets see who gets 'em up first. BlueMint 17:30, 20 November 2006 (MT)

"And I shall hold the money."-Around the World in 30 Days Toxic Ninja 03:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, really, but I say it's still not stable enough information.

I don't think we should add the specs just yet. Nintendo, IBM, and ATI still haven't said anything themselves.

• Under the RAM amounts, the link sourcing 1T-SRAM goes to a website describing how Linksys' 1T-SRAM is going to be featured in the product. No actual amount was given.

• Under the RAM amounts, once again, the link sourcing the inclusion of GDDR3 RAM only links to a site describing the RAM, absolutely nothing Nintendo-related was mentioned.

• We've already ruled out IGN as an unstable source at the moment, since they never mention exactly where or who they got the specs from.

• In USA Today's interview with Nintendo, they never asked Nintendo about the specs, and never mentioned where they got the spec info from.

I'm going to keep the specs as they were earlier (unknown), for now. The Captain Returns 02:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The RAM information at least is 100% confirmed. The link to the GDDR3 RAM site has the same part number as the picture of the RAM that was put up; that's why it constitutes a reference. As for the 24MB 1T-SRAM, this is just the same type and amount of RAM that was used in the Gamecube so it makes perfect sense (considering the 100% backwards compatibility) that it would show up again in the Wii. So I've put the RAM information back.

As for the clock speeds, well Nintendo doesn't want to release this information because it makes the Wii look bad, so we may never get official confirmation. Developers have access to this information but when they leak it they do so anonymously because they're under NDA. But look, these same 729Mhz/243Mhz numbers showed up in two independent sources are probably not copying from each other. This kind of thing is considered strong evidence usually. 729Mhz is also exactly 1.5 times the Gamecube clock and the number "729" is written on the Broadway chip, giving more circumstantial evidence that it's correct. I'm not sure how much evidence you feel we need here. For now I've put the information back with the qualifier "reportedly"; I guess if you're really unhappy with it you can remove it again and I won't revert, but given the preponderance of evidence I'm pretty sure it will end up in the article eventually and it might as well be now. Redquark 14:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

doesn't the fact that 729 is exactly 1.5 times 485 make it more likely that some idle tosspot just multiplied 485 time 1.5 and posted it to ign?

Perhaps, but as a matter of fact motherboard clock speed changes often work in neat multipliers. You have an oscillator crystal running at a certain rate, and you put it through a little device that outputs 3 pulses for every 1 or something. In Gamecube backwards compatibility mode, the Broadway would need to run at 485Mhz, so it makes sense that the native Wii clockspeed would be a neat multiple of that. Redquark 17:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Point taken but 2 times would be a neat multiplier, 1.5 times no so easy to do? As for back-compat - yes maybe - but if the cpu is faster it could run and finish it's task ealier on in each 1/50sec (or 1/60sec) frame.

It's not unusual for the actual system master clock to be divided down to get the CPU clock. A master clock of 1455-1458MHz could be divided by 3 to get the Gamecube speed and divided by 2 to get the Wii speed. This isn't conclusive, though.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.77.107.201 (talk • contribs).

I asked whether anyone could interpret these numbers on the cpu :

IBM Broadway 39X6735 IBM9316 BWYC-72914 06310636V 14 CANADA http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/2526081bfbcfe010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd/14.html

Now seems like a good time to ask again.87.102.16.174 18:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Considering that the evidence is unbelievably tilted towards this being true, I guess it should stay. Peace. The Captain Returns 01:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Firmware updates break the wii -- "Blocks"

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Soo, yeah. This isn't really conclusive yet, i don't think, since it came from one website that i know of. If you are going to add it, please find at least one or two seperate news agencies for sources. Also, let's keep it POV-free, ok? dposse 18:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've found two more sources but I seem not quite to have got the hang of the formatting mode for it. The URLs are viewable in edit section bu I can't quite work out how to sort out the cites.BigHairRef | Talk 19:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If this is included, it is definately worth noting that you can back up game saves on an SD card, as well as entire Virtual Console games. Never mind, I just realized while typing this that you need the update to use the SD card, and now feel quite silly. Well, at the very least, you can save your Mii's like rats from a sinking ship on your wiimote. --Author X 21:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I've heard/experienced, there are two updates -- the first one lets you use the SD card, and the second is the one that's been "breaking" things. Detailed blog entry with pics, via kotaku -Lhall 01:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Please don't quote everything in articles, as that can be considered copyright violation. Also, this is not a gaming forum. Just link to the article and make a note about its content. Thanks! -- ReyBrujo 21:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, i didn't realize that infomation and the news was copyrighted. dposse 00:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I had my Wii hooked up by 8:30am on Sunday morning and got 2 updates as far as I could tell. On Monday I used my cameras SD card to transfer monkeyball and trauma center save files to my roomates Wii... It worked just fine. I have been on my Wii all day until just now when I found this article on Digg. I haven't received a firmware update yet but should I not do it? Or does this story simply have no merit? --24.231.203.166 10:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Startup Disc

Did anyone ever find out about what it is?Cocopopz2005 04:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Probably what the firmware upgrades you have to download now (SD support and online access). TJ Spyke 04:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Will the problems with updates and stuff be fixed by the time pal territories get it? (early december). Any idea if a disc will be shipped along as well with some other updates? I heard reports of pplz wii's have stopped working.. That scares me! Cocopopz2005 04:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It's only a very small number of Wii's having problems, and it's the systems themselves (not the updates) that are the problem. I downloaded the updates and haven't had any problems. TJ Spyke 04:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Consoles in every generation have been crapping out since the dawn of time, compared to the amount of xbox 360s that broke down in the first week the wii is still much more reliable, especially considering it sold like 5 times more.Toxic Ninja 03:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

So these should be ironed out by the PAL release - meaning that there should be no real problems? Cocopopz2005 04:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

There was no startup disk... Only a "Wii-Sports" disk. And the dox doesn't say a Startup disk anymore, either.Mjanzen128 19:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The startup disk was needed for the version of the firmware released with the demo stations. It means that there was an error with the process, and the system couldn't be started or updated without said disc. Furthermore, there may have been problems even if Nintendo had sent out said disc. JONJONAUG 14:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Shortened

Yep. WAY too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ASHTONZANECKI (talk • contribs)

Model Numbers and model changes.

The console model does change or at least the number. Small differences in manufacturing process and different components make the console units different. I'd like to see a list of console models, when they were released and what the changes might have been.

Only if they're significant changes, I'd say, like the way the original (PAL) PlayStation had phono sound output ports, but my, later, model did not. But if it's something like a minor graphical change to the Wii menu, I don't think it needs to be listed. How quickly do such changes happen, anyway? Aren't we talking about a year from now at least? Kelvingreen 17:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Links to dates/Lead trimming

The first few paragraphs are really hard to read since so many words are links. Is it neccessary to have links to dates like December 7, December 9, etc? The info at the links has nothing to do with the Wii. I'd like to see them removed.--142.166.163.162 17:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikilinking dates allows them to be rendered properly. For example, I've got them set to read as "December 7, 2006", whereas users can have them set to read "7 December 2006" or "2006 December 7" or "2006-12-07". EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is not the abuse of wikilinks, but instead the awful content. There is a lot of information that should not go there. The third paragraph is redundant and could be moved into the body of the article. -- ReyBrujo 18:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've made a first cut at trimming the third paragraph, removing the release dates that were already redundant with the info in the table. Anyone else want to finish the job? Nandesuka 19:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Disk Media

Anyone have any information on the disks the games are on? The article just states "Wii optical disk" which isn't much to go on. No information on storage capacity or data transfer rate or anything rather then that obscure name and the fact its 12 cm. Although I've heard it might be DVD-DL but no sources. So anybody?Toxic Ninja 03:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I asked it, and it was answered here, although it was not added to the main page, presumably due to no reliable sourcing. Apparently, "Wii discs will hold 4.7GB single layer or 8.5GB dual layer" and are basically DVDs. Kelvingreen 16:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Another couple of questions though; does the Wii play audio and/or mp3 compact discs? And can the Photo Channel make use of photo CDs? Kelvingreen 23:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No and No. TJ Spyke 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving "Hardware" section

Can we remove the Hardware chapter? There is already a Hardware page. Looking at the length of this article the seperate hardware page seems like a good idea. I propose to integrate the Hardware chapter with the hardware page and remove it from the main page. Mausy5043 18:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The "Hardware" article was created without consensus from the editors of the Wii article. I personally don't see why it should have its own page, since it mostly contains redirects to more articles. Just64helpin 18:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think the main article is getting pretty big. Putting hardware information on a seperate page seems a good move to me. But that's just my opinion. Mausy5043 18:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the Wii article essentially about the hardware? Just64helpin 18:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I've prodded "Wii launch", "Wii name controversy", and "Wii hardware specifications". --Maxamegalon2000 04:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Good idea Max, I don't know why that editor created those 3 articles (the same editor did all 3). You might want to watch them though in case someone removes the PROD's. TJ Spyke 04:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Box picture

It'd be nice if someone could get us a higher resolution box picture. :) --Akhel 19:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

There is one right here but I'm not sure if we're allowed to use it. This is where I found it. Sockigami 15:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as there isn't a watermark on it, you are allowed to use it. I'd reccomend that you reduce the size of it for copyright purposes though, and don't forget to put a rationale. You also might to wait and have someone just take a picture of one and release it into public domain so you don't have to deal with people complaining about have a copyrighted picture (look at the box art's page).--Clyde Miller 16:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Some Questions

Sorry, I wasn't sure if this was true. You can use gamecube controllers rather than classic controllers right? Do I need a memory card/stick or something? DrSatan 05:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

GameCube controllers can be used for GC games and most Virtual Console games (I think all 14 VC released so far do support it). The Wii has 512MB of internal flash memory, but also accepts SD cards if you want to use them. TJ Spyke 20:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

That's not fair...Nintendo is really ripping you off with controllers...I guess I can just not use a normal contoller then. I think that is a bad choice by Nintendo and it's losing its bang-for-its-buck. So, I don't need any classic controllers right? Or do I need them for Virtual Console? If so...God damnit...DrSatan 05:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried playing some of the VC games with a GC controller? The Classic Controller feels more natural. TJ Spyke 05:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It can also use Gamecube memory cards. Colin Reding 05:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Do the gamecube memory cards work with Wii games or only Gamecube ones? Well, the thing about the classic is that it's an extra $20...It's just too much for me to afford...DrSatan 22:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

GameCube games are saved to GC memory card, Wii games saved to the flash memory (although Wii games can then be transfered to a SD card afterwards). TJ Spyke 22:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

usb storage

Can anyone confirm or deny that the Wii os supports usb storage devices (flash and hard drive etc) for saving game data etc. I think this is relevant to the article as well as being of personal interest to me.

Perrin Kaplan said "No", and so far nobody's reported any success with USB drives / card readers / whatever, so I'm afraid it's "No" for the moment. Maybe it'll come with a firmware update.Sockatume 18:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

She said it would be possible in the future with a firmware upgrade. TJ Spyke 22:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

On that note, for the SD Memory Cards, let's take Monkey Ball: BB for instance. As confirmed, you can save replays onto SD Memory Cards. My question is, though, can you transfer these to your PC? Will they be in AVI format or something? Just curious... Knuckles sonic8 23:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think USB storage devices will be supported, mainly because people will save their downloaded Virtual Console games to it and upload it to their computer. Nintendo has enough trouble with piracy -206.230.184.146 04:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with it. SD cards work fine, and obviously can be accessed with computers. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

According to this http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43154 usb flash, hardrives, keyboards and mice can be plugged in.. But they all do nothing. This is just ridiculous.87.102.12.129 15:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It's acutally not all that ridiculous. I'm not sure why one would expect them to work. --Maxamegalon2000 18:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok maybe not ridiculous (but still a bizarre choice) - from reports I've heard that you might need to enter your name for various purposes - using the pointer function - so why do let us do it with a keyboard. And USB flash drives - very simple to support surely but apparently they don't work - so the bizarre thing seems to be why include USB at all if it's not used..

Well, this is just a guess, but I think USB will be used be Nintendo for expansions, like DVD playing capabilities, ethernet, and so on. After all, they have to go somewhere, right? --RockMaster 20:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that a USB ethernet adaptor has been confirmed, and I'd guess that keyboard functionality will be in place for the launch of the Wii Browser. Kelvingreen 18:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii price in Ireland

According to the twilight princess ad Wii will cost around 259 euro in Ireland.

According to Smyths website (big toy/ vdeo game chain in ireland) Wii will cost 270 euro in smyths Smyths.ie page for Wii

Please add in the 259 euro price in the price table. Nitromaster 00:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo have already released their reccomended price for the Eurozone: if we add in the actual price for each region it'll just get endless. Sockatume 01:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In this case, Ireland is an exception to the Eurozone price because of the VAT rate. For that reason, this is not specialist treatment due to one Country's retailers, it's accurate representation of the price. Unfortunately for we Irish. - Cathal

NES, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64 and GameCube games

I've heard that NES, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and GameCube games work on the Wii system. Is that true? If it is, I think it should be mentioned in the article. Voortle 03:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Not quite, some of them will be part of the Virtual Console (which IS mentioned in the article). The GameCube games part is mentioned though under the Backwards Compatibility section. TJ Spyke 03:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You can download NES, SNES, N64, Sega Genesis and TurboGrafx-16 games onto the Wii for a price. The price is from $5 to $10. You can play the Gamecube games straight from the Cube disc in the Wii. For more detailed infomation, see the Virtual Console (Wii) article. dposse 17:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you think its worth mentioning that the wii is the only 7th gen console that is fully backwards compatable with its predessesor? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by J.L.Main (talk • contribs) 23:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Japanese

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii Is it just me, or do they have more information? Can anyone translate? I just want to compare the Japanese wiki to ours and see if there are any serious differences. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

At first look the information is basically the same; the reason the Japanese article is larger is because the English one is separated into more pages.221.19.139.92 12:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Danish Prices - Need help

Hello.

Just found the prices, but i think I'll leve it to the pro's adding it :-)

http://www.novadata.dk/files/katalog.html Press lower right corner to flip the pages :-)

Thanks :-)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmol (talk • contribs)

Surge Protection for Low Power Mode

I would like to keep my Wii on at all times, but, at our house, power outages are not too uncommon. Did Nintendo take precautions for this and build in surge protection and quick shut down protocols, or do I have to go out and get another surge protector? Also, I heard that the Opera browser will be available for free download before they make you pay for it, with this free period ending at the new year. Is this rumor true? Thanks in advance. --RockMaster 02:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wii Browser will be free to download until July 2007. You only have to pay if you wait until then to download it, and even those who wait will only have to pay a 1 time fee. I don't know about the electric issue. TJ Spyke 02:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd recommend having surge protectors hooked up to any important electronic device. As for "quick shutdown protocols", I'm not precisely sure what you're asking; if you cut off its power, the Wii won't automatically save or safely stop itself if writing to its internal flash memory / SD cards. I don't know of anything that does, really. If your power shuts off that often and it really bothers you, and you have the money, you might want to look at an uninterruptible power supply. That's probably overkill for a video game console though. And as for keeping on all the time: most electronic devices keep some sort of standby mode, even if they call it "Off". The Wii's is somewhat more involved, and doesn't hide the fact that it's on. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

By quick shut down protocols, yes, I meant that you wouldn't screw the system over if it was downloading something while sleeping. The biggest problem about getting a UPS, which would be what I'm hoping for, is that we've already got two, and I doubt my dad will get a third. Thank you for all your help --RockMaster 20:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

but wouldnt that mean youd need a UPS for your tv as well? which would then be totally overkill.scotty.n

You can plug several things into an uninterruptible power supply, but I don't but my displays on it. This way if the power goes out I will notice it easily because my screen turns off. Then I can plug it in and power down. Also, if I'm not around when the power goes out, I don't want the display draining the battery. Jecowa 08:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii 'critisism'?

First reports of "tennis elbow" by playing the Wii, could be included in a section of possible adverse health effects of playing? (link http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6162355.html?) 134.225.254.250 21:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The idea of considering this a "problem" gives me the creeps. Is there a precedence on this? I never read of PS2 controllers to be "problematic" (nor any other controller by the way) and there are problems for sure. In fact, since this is something related to abnormal use of articulations, I would say this is an advantage!
MaxDZ8 talk 21:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we can probably mention the reports without passing judgement. --Maxamegalon2000 21:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Only people out of shape or not used to exercising would have problems. It's no different than the DDR games or the EyeToy games. Players also only need small wrist movements, all these problems i've seen are from people doing things like swinging the Wii Remote as fast as they can (which is their fault, not Nintendo's). TJ Spyke 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Notable, too, I guess, is the fact that the wrist strap is meant to serve as a protection and for safety reasons. Knuckles sonic8 22:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that people are too unfit to use a controller, or too excited and use motions that are too animated, isn't exactly notable, at least not on this article. You'd have to also go to a driving article and provide "criticism" that legs can become cramped if you do it too much ;). Chris M. 01:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, drenched head to toe in sweat from wiisports tennis. This is not normal play.--Signor 06:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if you read the article, it was boxing, and I found myself breaking a sweat the first time I boxed with normal play, and was sore the next day. I wasn't complaining though. If "Wii elbow" is to be mentioned, should it be in a new article for Wii elbow? I understand that could be considered a neologism, but at this point there are reputable sources using the term. However, I also realize it would be a very small article. --Psyphics_ΨΦ 16:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Found a another source, this one from the Wall Street Journal using the word "Wii elbow" [11]. Deserve mention? It's own article? --Psyphics_ΨΦ 17:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This is definatly notable, it's a real "issue" though it's something that works itself out. Acting like it is just out of shape people doesn't help anything, and doesn't change the fact that it happens. The first time you play a game you don't know the range of motion it requires and can easily overextend your arms. If you get into Wii sports, you can get a real workout, though the story of "being drenched in sweat" doesn't discuss the length of gameplay that it took, though I expect it to be a bit long. Easily worth a note, however I wouldn't exactly call it criticism. A site like www.wiihaveaproblem.com is more for criticism, but any story of that type seems to be second hand accounts of the situation or just unable to understand how the work a simple wrist strap.--Kinglink 20:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

But would we really create a whole section for it? To answer your question, I think the verdict is no. So, where would it go, then? Knuckles sonic8 22:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I say nay, not a whole article at least. Make a section about it. This isn't deserving of its own article, unless it's a pandemic of people complaining about getting sore playing one of the more physically demanding titles for Wii.--Signor 22:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sales

Should this wiki include information of sales at this point? Nintendo has released a press release which can be read by anyone at http://gonintendo.com/?p=9336 or if you have access to the Nintendo Press Room it can be viewed there too. I think that it would be beneficial to this article to include that information. 74.116.7.116 02:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we are currently quoting IGN, thanks. -- ReyBrujo 02:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Archive

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this needs archiving.--Clyde Miller 03:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I just archived every topic with no activity in the last five days. Jecowa 07:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Colbert

Did Colbert have a Wii out on the recent show of his? And use it to "make a mii out of himself and Nancy Pelosi, and proceed to beat her up in Wiisports Boxing?" It's what I heard.--Signor 06:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Who is Colbert? How is this relevant to the article? Jecowa 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Colbert of Comedy Centrals Colbert Report. He had a Wii on his show last night and played the Wii Sports boxing game, with him and Nancy Pelosis heads battling. dposse 14:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Colbert Review watchers are heavily disproportionately represented in Wikipedia editors. I'm not saying don't include this, but I think that given that representation, you should be judicious about opportunities to insert a reference to Colbert. Ask yourself: "Is this really encyclopedic?" MrVoluntarist 14:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course not. It's interesting trivia, perhaps, but it's not encyclopedic. dposse 19:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Brazilian Release Date

The wii wasn't released in here nov. 19th... But it'll be released on dec. 1st, as you can see on this reliable online shopping site: http://www.submarino.com.br/games_productdetails.asp?Query=&ProdTypeId=12&CatId=57396&PrevCatId=57395&ProdId=1792681&ST=BL57396&OperId=0&CellType=2 wich states "Foi lançado em 01 de Dezembro de 2006 no Brasil." wich roughly translates to "Was released in Brasil on dec. 01 of 2006"

The price tag of a whooping 1.200 dollars is still, sadly... correct...

Brazilian time machine rox! - Danillonunes 00:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Not Region Locked - But...

I have asked the Nintendo support team (Europe) whether the Wii is region locked. Their answer is basically: No, but there are PAL and NTSC Wii's and they are not compatible to each other. Their exact reply is here. -- Nils Jeppe 15:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well of course PAL and NTSC aren't compatible on-the-fly, as they are indeed different tv standards. But there was (almost?) no gaming console in history which didn't have some form of freeloader to play import games. I wouldn't fear not being able to play NTSC games on a PAL wii and vice versa. Just insert the freeloader cd, boot up the menu, insert import cd, play the game. Although some consoles had to have a mod chip inserted to play import games, Nintendo systems always only used some kind of boot menu, be it a freeloader cd for the gamecube, or the cardridges for SNES and N64 and the likes, where you would put the import game on top and the game from your region on the back of the freeloader cardridge. Aetherfukz 16:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course I know that NTSC and PAL work differently. But if they wanted, they could have easily built hardware that does both. Still, with pretty much all the entertainment we get these days headed for a region code system, I find it interesting that Nintendo has opted to do no such obvious thing. The article said that the status of region code locking was unknown, so I thought I'd forward the official Nintendo answer to this, straight from the mouth (well, hands) of the support team. I haven't edited the article because I didn't want to mess with it. -- Nils Jeppe 05:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well Nintendo has opted to do the obvious thing, from a Company POV. The difference between PAL and NTSC comes from history because US and EU developed different standards because the power comes in 60Hz and 50Hz. But usually this wasn't the only problem with import games, otherwise you, as you said, could just hook up a monitor or NTSC/PAL TV to play import games. There were always built-in measures to not let people play imports. And there were always nifty and witty people that developed software/hardware addons for every console to play import games. Fact is, as with DVDs which are region locked (although there are lots of brand DVD players that can play DVDs from other regions), the developers don't want players to play import games. Whether it be because of local laws (like in Germany there are lots of games on the index, and therefore don't get published there, like Mortal Kombat, Gears of War and such because they are deemed too brutal) or because the company wants to translate the game first to not spoil foreign audience. I can talk from experience, I have the japanese SoulCalibur 2 on GameCube because it was out half a year before the european version got released. And I tell you, it is very hard an awful to play sometimes, especially when you want to look up moves on the moveslist because everything is in japanese kanji. Aetherfukz 12:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I trust you'll keep a note on this issue? I would like to get a few games from the US (they're not imported here in EU for some reason) so I'm a bit interested in this one.
MaxDZ8 talk 19:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have unfortunate news for all of the other would-be importers (well, those hoping to go between Japan and the US anyway). Play-asia has done some testing, and confirmed that a Japanese Wii will not play US games and vice-versa *sigh* source: Play Asia Japanese Wii launch pre-roundup --Author X 02:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure Datel will eventually release a Wii version of the Freeloader. TJ Spyke 02:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii Picture

I was wondering if i should replace the current Wii picture with this one: [12] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Royboy5371 (talk • contribs)

Free images should be used instead of fair use ones (see WP:IUP). Just64helpin 22:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Think we could use a better display picture rather than the one thats already shown, preferably one with the Wii-remote in the picture too since 360 and PS3 has their controlller in their pics, AND it's Nintendo's main selling point. Dctcool 23:01 3 December (AEST)

Adding Trivia?

I found a few articles today that show how candles can be used as sensor bars because of they send out Infrared signals similar to the sensor bars, allowing for the wii remote to detect movements in the same way(and accuracy) of the sensor bar. These are the articles. I think this is more trivia related than any other category.[[13]] [[14]][[15]] --Luvboat 23:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wii Remote article mentions that candles can substitute for the sensor bar to create infrared light used by the Wii remote. Jecowa 05:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No Mention of Wii's Visual Fidelity?

I find it most unusual that there is no mention of the Wii's graphical standard or how the majority of its current games look anywhere in the article, plus the fact it is undoubtedly weaker technologically than its rivals. It's way too downplayed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Wii - I'm a big Nintendo fan, and respect them probably more than any other company. It's just sad that a lot of its games right now (cough, Far Cry, GT Pro, cough) look no better than many Xbox or even GCN games, and I thought that deserved a brief mention in the tech specs area. I don't think it really needs to be sourced, because you can all see the system' visual output for yourselves with your own eyes right? It's pretty common knowledge. I know with Wii it's not about the graphics, but can't they work to get games that look at least considerably better than the average GCN game? This will make the system appear at least a little less impotent compared to PS3 or X360. Nintenboy01 18:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I can put together info from news articles directly analyzing graphical capability. Where should it be added, though? Just64helpin 19:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's the problem though... If you don't source anyone else, then they're really just your own opinions, and thus Original Research. To be honest, I'd go the other direction entirely. Rather than talking about how it lacks the visuals of the other consoles against which it is supposedly "competing", I'd actually prefer to remove the line about it competing with ps3 and 360 altogether. They (at least originally) made it very clear that they weren't directly competing for the same market. In fact, I'd hazard to speculate that the only reason it's even now being considered a direct competitor is simply because it's turned out to be a spiffy little system. That said, the article is primarily about what the wii is, not what it isn't.

For comparison, think of it this way: The 360 article doesn't have a section detailing how its controller is less intuitive for a non-gamer than the wii's. Nor does the PS3 article have a reference to how Sony has failed to deliver as affordable a console as Nintendo has.

But, again, unless properly cited, it'd be original research, and thus immediately deleted anyways, so I don't really see the point. Bladestorm 19:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Having thought about it, I would support removing the line about Wii competing with the 360 and PS3, for the reasons Bladestorm outlined. We've already got a reference to its generation, so we know which systems are out at the same time.

Kelvingreen 18:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wii is competing against them though, even though Nintendo says they aren't. Sony says it's PSP isn't competing against the DS, but we all know it is. TJ Spyke 18:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, come to think of it I have to agree. Those are excellent points Mr. Bladestorm made. I am happy at least that the Wii has sold very well so far (600K units in about a week?!?) and here's another good analogy: The PSP is also technically superior to DS, but w/c has the better games for the most part? Maybe it was good of Nintendo to move in this direction favoring innovation and price over raw horsepower after all. Still, it certainly wouldn't have hurt if they could have made Wii at least a bit more powerful even if they have to lose a little more dinero on every piece of hardware sold... Sony may be charging a steep price, but apparently they're still losing over $200 on every unit! Nintenboy01 19:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Information on competing consoles is there to establish context (see WP:LEAD). Anyways, I plan on citing all of my sources, but I'm not sure how I should document the information. Writing "analysts state the graphics aren't as good as..." obviously wouldn't work. Just64helpin 19:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's underpowered graphically, but it's a game console, not a graphics generator. Nintendo have specifically shied away from the graphical arms race in order to concentrate on developing gameplay, most notably with the Wii Remote. It's competing with the X360 and PS3 not on graphics, but on gameplay, and as such I'm not sure a discussion of its graphical capabilities in comparison with the other consoles is that relevant. It strikes me as a flawed comparison, frankly, like putting a sprinter up against a high jumper and comparing their running speeds; the jumper will be slower, but he's not trying to run fast. Kelvingreen 19:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh poo, Bladestorm said it better. Kelvingreen 19:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a mention, there's plenty of sources (unluckly, often not freely accessible) mentioning the high costs of next-gen development. This is likely the reason for which a few game generations will look the same - for most next-gen platforms, there's not even a sufficenti installed base... the graphics hardware itself may be inferior, but if the assets are even simplier then there's no real problem anyway. Also, note because of the lower resolution, fillrate isn't really a concern. Consider for comparisono Cell-phone accelerators from powerVR... their fillrate is low, but it's huge when you consider they run on a cell phone. similarly, if there's the need to render to PAL (which is something like below 640x480) there's no real need to have a multi-gigapixel pipe. This one doesn't even need to be cited, simple math can proof it out.

MaxDZ8 talk 19:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

To be completely honest though, I'm still hoping that the Wii's Hollywood and Broadway aren't just shrunk-down versions of GCN's Flipper and Gekko with a 50% clockspeed increase and no new processing functions. Sure, a pixel fillrate of 972 Mpixels/sec (if the 243 mhz thing is true and Hollywood has only 4 pixel pipelines like Flipper) is very adequate for a 640x480 resolution, but still... If these specs turn out to be true in the end it's kinda embarassing to even put up here... Considering Xbox 360's core package costs only $50 more and packs 8 to 10x the power of its predecessor. Nintenboy01 20:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I can write up a section detailing Nintendo's concept and marketing scheme for the console. It could briefly reference an emphasis on gameplay over graphics, but that wouldn't be the whole point. I'll hold off incorporating it for now. Just64helpin 21:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

And speaking of marketing, I do believe Nintendo described the Wii's processing power as a "multiple" of the GameCube's. And while this is just IMHO, the term "multiple" usually implies 2x or 3x, so when the unofficial specs purport the Wii at just about 50% above the GameCube's numbers, there is certainly something missing. Whether the unofficial numbers are off, or Nintendo's statement too upsounding, whatever the case may be we need a source to look into it rather than ourselves. Give it a year.

As for whether or not the console is "competing" against the PS3/360, we already know that because they are all in the same market as each other they are already competing for the limited resource that is the average gamers' monetary budget. It's an apples-and-oranges comparison in a way; they are and are not, or aren't but are. --Stratadrake 04:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

New Wii info

I got some new info on the Wii from thewiire.com. Super Mario Galaxy's release date is sometime between the end of March to next christmas(2007) Wii play/Warioware will release in January for the U.S. Finally, nintendo is considering having a "Wii-mote" and nunchuck bundle since the price of both seperately is about $60 dollars. MariofanDs 2:42, 29 November 2006

Three-revert violation

Is this 3RR?--Clyde Miller 00:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I see 4 reverts there by TJ Spyke and J.L. so yes there are two counts of 3RR violations. However, TJ claims to have made a "self-revert", which if true would make him almost safe from being blocked. However, it does not appear to me to be a self-revert because TJ's text says "unofficially and incorrectly referred to as the wiimote", whereas J.L.'s version had the text "more commonly referred to as the wiimote". So I believe both have committed 3RR violations. Dionyseus 01:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to put it back the way it was before I edited so we could discuss it more here. So I wasn't trying too, if I did. TJ Spyke 01:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well either of you would have looked like the better man if you had not reverted it so many times and instead brought up a discussion here. Neither of you attempted that. BTW, this is your hint to start one.--Clyde Miller 02:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

There already is, look towards the top of the page. TJ Spyke 02:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Then why are you reverting and risking being blocked? Nevermind. No harm done, and on an article like Wii this is last years news.--Clyde Miller 01:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiwii?

Does http://www.wikiwii.org/ deserve to be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadbath (talk • contribs)

No? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the Wiki just started, so I would have to say no as wll (they don't even a page on the Wii yet and it's supposed to be a Wii Wiki). TJ Spyke 05:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Lol, blocked for porno at my school. Not quite sure what that site is really about.--Ac1983fan 14:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

question about the wii's encryption standard

ADoes it support WEp or WPA? I'd like to know so I can tell if I need to get the ethernet adapter.--Ac1983fan 14:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it supports WEP, WPA-PSK (TKIP), WPA-PSK (AES), and WPA2-PSK (AES) secured networks, and open networks. Jecowa 15:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank god, my dad won'thave to buy the ethernet adapter, his a security freak.--Ac1983fan 12:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

VANDALISM!

Could someone PLEASE revert the page back to it's normal form, and do somthing about the guy making unacceptable changes to the article? I would love to revert it, but I don't have the privilages... Thank you. MastrCake 17:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

MastrCake, it would've been nice if you were more specific in your complaint. Just64helpin 18:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

If you are an anti-Nintendo fan or just don't like the Wii please do not delete the entire article just to express your opinions. This also goes for the pages for the other video game systems as well. These articles are for everybody and not places to express your opinions. The other problem with Vandalism is that the article will become locked and when somebody wants to add something relevant to the article they can not because too many people have deleted the article to express their opinions. --Daniel Schibuk, 17:15 UTC, 11/30/2006

I agree, if you don't like the Wii, or any other Nintendo products in this matter, then just post it in a blog. Wikipedia officals, please revert this article back to its original state, thanks in advance.--Megamanfan3 17:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, looks like that last post was out of date. After I posted that, it is now semi-protected, that way this won't be easily vandalised be newly registered users.--Megamanfan3 17:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note vandalism of header/slogan: "Wii Will Bore You". perhaps there are other small things too that has crawled into the page. ~~ Zarkow

• Someone fixed it, great. ~~ Zarkow

"Units sold" subsection

The Wii article does not need a separate subsection on the number of units sold. If you agree or disagree, please say so. Just64helpin 17:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. It looks out of place at the top of the launch section. It needs its own subsection because it's seperate infomation than the rest of the section. dposse 18:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree that it shouldn't be at the top, but the information fits in with the "Release date and price" subsection, rather than it being exclusive to itself. Just64helpin 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we should do what the Xbox 360 article has, a general sales section. It can mention the sales numbers, and later on be used for the total sales as well. TJ Spyke 18:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

There isn't enough historical perspective to warrant a "Sales" section just yet, but it's certainly an idea. Just64helpin 19:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That's logical. When there is more news on how much money they made and how much has been sold, however, it should then be made into its own subsection. dposse 23:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Knuckles sonic8 00:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Can we put the sales figures into perspective by comparing them with the cost of development and/or production? I'm not sure if sources are available that mention that data though. Mausy5043 18:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Brazil's Price

I am surprised to see Brazil's price, which is far higher than the rest, and I am wondering if this is the official price from nintendo.--w_tanoto 10:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think these are the prices from Nintendo. It seems there was some trouble importing these consoles into Brazil. You can read more about it at one of these two articles below. Jecowa 10:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• translated to English article
• original Portuguese article

• Unfortunately, it's the official price from the official Nintendo representation in Brazil. Not-so-legal imports can come to as "low" as R$1400.00 (roughly US$600.00). When questioned about this unbeliaveable price, all that Nintendo has to say is that "they analyze each country and adapt the best strategy for the local situation". The taxes for imported consoles are of 80%, but (US$250*1.8) is still very far from the suggested price. Pmbarros 15:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

This is a bit off topic, but does anyone know why the price difference is so large? It costs upwards of $1,000 in Brazil, for crying out loud. Does anyone know why this is? --Poromenos 14:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• Inflation, and import costs. I believe, unless the product is manufactured in the country, the costs are ridiculous. 74.137.230.39 18:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually I was mainly referring to the price in Greece (249.99 Eur), I can't make any sense of it. As far as I know it's produced in Japan (no?) so why would it be $250 in the US and 250 Eur in Europe? I was wondering if anyone knew definitively why this happens. --Poromenos 22:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
    • That's how game systems (at least from Nintendo) are priced. If a system costs $200 US, then they charge 200 Euros for it. Don't ask me wh they do it though. That IP is right about Brazil as well, anything not produced in Brazil will have huge importing costs tacked on. TJ Spyke 22:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I am suggesting that unofficial price should not be put to the table, because it is unreliable. example is PlayStation 3 in Indonesia. Some Shop sells it to equivalent of £700, and some £600. It will confuse the reader.--w_tanoto 00:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Offtopic too, but in Colombia, though not so high, is the same or higher than an xbox 360 core, so I think is ridiculous to make a cheap console to sell at relatively high prices in poor countries. 200.21.238.118 00:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

VGA output

The article does not mention that the console is capable of VGA output using the apropriate cable (shown here: [16]

It appears to be component signal through a D connector - is that the same as VGA or compatable??83.100.253.51 15:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No, this is not a VGA connector. It is a D-Terminal. You need a modern Japanese television to utilize it, I believe. Nintendo, unfortunately, does not offer a VGA cable for the Wii. Jecowa 18:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Finland's Date

I would like to point out that Finland gets Wii the same day as rest of Europe, which of course is 8th December. http://www.nintendo.fi/?file=365

Homebrew?

This website is reporting that you can now play GameCube homebrew on the Wii. Do you think that this is worth adding? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MakeDamnSure (talk • contribs) 01:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

can you find more sources and more infomation?dposse 16:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Wii is compatible with Gamecube software to such a degree that homebrew works. Not sure how to integrate that into the article, or if we should. Sources are easy to dredge up though. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think it's worth mentioning. Fact is, you're talking about gamecube homebrew, and this is the wii article. (Incidentally, I don't think homebrew really belongs in the same articles as the conventional article anyways; it's just a moot point in this case, because gamecube homebrew isn't essential to a wii article) Bladestorm 18:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hardware capability

Does anyone know if the wii is capable of playing next-gen games ie on par with the 360 and ps3. someone should also make an article comparing the three. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.185.92.222 (talk • contribs).

Like Comparison of seventh-generation game consoles? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 08:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but maybe something in layman's terms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.92.222 (talk • contribs)

No. The Wii was never intended to be as technically powerful as the 360 or PS3, Nintendo chose a different strategy than to compete against Sony or Microsoft inthe Number-Crunching-Olympics. They focused their development more on how the games are actually played, the interface between man and machine that is the Wii Remote. Their goal wasn't to make more powerful versions of the same old stuff, but to develop something entirely new and change the market with it. --Stratadrake 22:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

But it will also isolate the wii from all the conventional games that are released on multiple ports.

That doesn't seem to have stopped Madden, Call of Duty and other franchises thus far. Kelvingreen 18:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't layman's terms-ize console specs, as there is not technical benchmark that can be used across the systems. Architectures differ wildly. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Region lock?

This section needs to be clarified. Is the Wii region locked or not? This source[17] (which is pretty new) says the Wii is not really region locked. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 17:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I've heard rumors of this. There's a problem with the theory though. NTSC is the standard for american and Japanese. The TV made here is the same as one there only with Japanese language options (and other asian languages). The reason I bring this up is that it's been confirmed multiple times that the Wii is confirmed region locked. Beyond that it seems that where you buy the system sets your country to that region. But continue to look at that article the final comment is by a person who quotes play-asia (a well known import group) that this is infact FALSE, it is "region locked". However that doesn't mean we won't see a bootloader, it just means we need one.Kinglink 02:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello there, is it possible to BUY A GAME FROM A DIFF COUNTRY, and PLAY IT from ANOTHER COUNTRY? (IF SO, we SOULD ADD this in) Yeah, is it possible to buy a game from say, Austrilia, then play it on an Ameircan Wii? If so, we should REALLY consider adding this info in people. Dragong4 01:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If it is the same region, yes (i.e. buying a game in one part of Europe and playing in another European country). The Wii is region locked though, so games bought in Australia will not work on a Wii system from North America. TJ Spyke 02:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

"Release date and price" section name

I think the Headline of Release Data would be more appropriate because this section contains other information besides the date it was released and the price.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Einstein the afrodude (talk • contribs)

I agree that the subsection's content is broader than what the header implies. I'll change it and see if anyone objects. Just64helpin 17:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Competition against 360 and PS3?

For a while now, we've had the line, "it is the successor to the Nintendo GameCube and competes against Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3."
Now, here's the thing... When they first announced the concept behind the revolution (eventually renamed wii), they made it very clear that they weren't directly competing with Sony and Microsoft. They were aiming for a different market (which actually touches on what Stratadrake was mentioning). To that end, both Microsoft and Sony endorsed the wii, for the sake of turning people away from their actual competition (ie. Microsoft wanted to steer people away from PS3, and Sony wanted to steer people away from the 360).
Certainly, the case could be made that the wii is still competing anyways... but that would really be just a point of view.
More specifically, if Nintendo's plan was to not compete against the PS3 and 360, then you'd have to make a pretty strong argument to definitively state that they are in direct competition anyways. Otherwise, it's POV and unacceptable content.
Opinions? Suggestions? I'll leave it a day or two before I make the change to the article. Bladestorm 18:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

IMHO, Nintendo isn't really directly competing with Sony and MS in the sense that their system is significantly cheaper and has a very different and non-traditional input method and decidedly poorer graphics. This makes a Wii a poor candidate for direct cross-platform ports unless they use the classic controller, but even then the graphics may suffer compared to PS3 and X360. Sony and MS have gone the more conventional route and just released consoles with considerably greater horsepower and a few new features here and there. Still, like what Stratadrake said above in the "Visual Fidelity" discussion, Nintendo is nevertheless still competing for most gamer's limited budgets and preferences for one console over another. Still I think most gamers who plan on getting two new consoles would probably choose a Wii and a 360 OR PS3, for greater variety (Since 360 and PS3 have basically the same graphics and share many 3rd party games). Nintenboy01 20:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Keeping in mind that you're making the same mistake (at least from the standpoint of being objective) that Stratadrake made. They aren't just targetting gamers. PS3 and 360? Just gamers. But nintendo's looking to make games that your mother will want to play. That your girlfriend will want to play. Peculiar little nuggets of amusement that don't put people off with crazy button layouts. (For reference, I actually happen to be fond of ridiculously high numbers of buttons on my controllers; I'm just talking about nintendo's approach here) Comparing the graphics of a Wii to a PS3 isn't even entirely appropriate, as the PS3's horsepower is also geared strictly to gamers. (No average non-gamer really cares that much whether or not a basketball player has rendered sweat on them) But all of this is beside the point anyways.

The point is that Nintendo said they weren't interested in direct competition; that they were aiming for a broader (and thus different) market. The article currently conclusively states that the Wii is directly competing against the 360 and PS3. You can certainly make reasonable arguments to back up such a statement, but the point is that you shouldn't. It's a point of view. We're not supposed to push specific points of view here. Statements should be well-researched and verifiable.

If Nintendo says they aren't interested in direct competition, and you want to definitively state anything to the contrary, then you need a looong laundry list of citations absolutely and conclusively proving that it is absolutely and completely in direct competition. And if nobody presents such citations within the next day or so, it'll have to be stricken from the article, per wikipedia policy. Bladestorm 20:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Come to think of it, both Sony and Nintendo also said they weren't targeting the same market when the PSP and DS came out, and indeed, it's usually only hardcore gamers who own BOTH units, while the more technically inclined tended to get just the PSP. The DS, on the other hand, seemed like a simpler system so a wider range of folks picked it up instead. This is kinda like the Wii philosophy right? But I do agree Nintendo really isnt targeting just the gamers or Sony or MS; they're going after EVERYONE while Sony alienates with PS3's confoundingly high price, and Microsoft perpetuates the conventional style of console gaming. Nintenboy01 21:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

How about a statement that the wii is a major video game console of the _th generation along with ps3 and 360. That is verifiable I'd say, then again sony said this generation doesn't start til the ps3 is released :). Chris M. 21:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is relevant, but both the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 articles mention competition with Nintendo's console. Just64helpin 21:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Listing it as being part of the same generation is, indeed, verifiable and accurate. I'd greatly prefer it that way. (of course, I already stated that I wouldn't touch the article for at least a day, so I'll hold myself to that; but feel free to make the change yourself if you like). Bladestorm 22:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo may not be saying they are competing, but the fact of the matter is that the Wii is competing with the Xbox 360 and PS3. That's not POV, it's a simple fact. Sony says the PSP isn't competing with the DS, but it is. TJ Spyke 22:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

No, that is POV. Since there is no source for that. It would be good that you stop pushing forward your opinion with edits. I like much better the other formulation, wich only states facts. If it's that obvious that they are competiting, then just stating the facts is enough. And everybody will understand. They are released on more or less the same date, as video game systems. That indeed strongly suggest that they are competiting. However, there is no source prooving that people won't buy Wii + another system, or that people buying Wii would have buyed another system otherwise. Therefore, no matter how obvious it seems, we cannot state as a fact that they are really competiting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.25.232.221 (talk) 09:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Well, I think it's been a day now... I'll be making the change to indicate that it's of the same generation as the PS3 and 360, and let people draw their own conclusions as far as competition is concerned. My primary point was that Nintendo originally said that they weren't directly competing, and if you're going to contradict Nintendo in a Nintendo hardware article, then you need to back it up. The assertion that, "it's a simple fact" isn't really sufficient without something to back it up. So, um, yeah. I'll just list the verifiable parts. If it really is obvious that it's in competition, then people should have no problems drawing that conclusion for themselves. :) Bladestorm 17:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Well, I've done the best I can. I couldn't find a way to mention the PS3 and 360 right in the article, though of course you can see their names by following the 7th gen link. (For that matter, it isn't necessarily necessary to mention other hardware that isn't directly related to the topic) Anyways, if you can think of a better way to phrase it, without making direct claims of competition, feel free. Bladestorm 18:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

360 and PS3 should be mentioned to establish context (see WP:LEAD). Whether the consoles are in competition or not shouldn't be an issue. Just64helpin 18:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I'd say your revision looks a lot better than mine. Bladestorm 19:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I think you guys are taking Nintendo's statements too seriously. Remember that since the days of the N64 Nintendo has sort of lived in its own little world and tends to ignore what its competition is doing, making some decidedly dumb business decisions like many other comapnies do (IE, using limited cartridges for N64, releasing the awkward Virtual Boy, using their own mini-DVDs for GCN rather than higher capacity discs, etc). In terms of content and style they're in a class all by themselves, but they ARE still in the same overall market as Sony and Microsoft, so in that sense they are still competing for the gamer's dollars. Nintenboy01 21:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

There is overlap with the 360 and PS3 markets. However, the main intent is still to market to a different audience overall. Look people, if you're going to say it's directly competing, then cite it. Otherwise, it'll be vandalism. This isn't rocket-science. If you're going to contradict the manufacturer over what you think their intent is, then you bloody well better back it up. I'm reverting the article to remove the statement of competition. Take it up here first if you want to dispute. I showed respect and waited a day before making the change. Present a citation here or in the article, or drop it. Bladestorm 22:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Update: I think the current phrasing is a reasonable compromise. An unofficial/unspoken rivalry between the systems is okay to include. Bladestorm 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, I think it sounds dumb. It unofficially competes against the other consoles? Some marketer's official policy shouldn't have any bearing on this article. I just tried something else [18]; competition is implied by mentioning that all three consoles are in the same generation, but it's not said outright. Of course, someone will not doubt find something wrong with this one. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that's great, crustacean. (That was what I was aiming for the first time around, but just couldn't get the wording right) Bladestorm 23:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Doesn't look like anyone (i.e. TJ Spyke) has reverted it yet, so hopefully it'll calm this for now. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 00:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If someone makes a really great microwave, and it cooks food extremely efficiently and well, yet they state they aren't competing with other brands of microwaves on the market, however many many people buy this microwave because it does the job well, then its competing with other microwaves, right? Even if one person buys a Wii instead of a PS3 then they are competing. It many people buy Wii's instead of PS3's then they are in direct competition.--220.237.10.97 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Just because Nintendo says they are not competing with the PS3 and Xbox 360 doesn't mean that the Wii isn't competing with them. TJ Spyke 01:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Nintendo may want to act all independent or consider themselves in a totally different class from their rivals, but many, many people will undoubtedly choose a Wii over a PS3 or X360 and vice-versa, and in that case that is indeed competition. It's just that Nintendo also happens to be trying to reach out more to average Joes who never really used to give videogaming the time of day. Nintenboy01 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That logic is entirely inaccurate. First off, remember that they aren't specifically trying to get people to get a wii instead of a PS3 or 360. Second, just because a person may still end up choosing one over the other, that doesn't mean that there's a direct competition. I might decide to get a bicycle instead of a car, depending on my needs, but that doesn't mean that Schwinn is directly competing with Ford. Different technology. Different design. Different focus. Different markets. Sure, they're both transportation, but if Schwinn were to say, "We're not interested in competing with Ford", then you must provide a proper citation showing that they're lying (or wrong) in order to say otherwise. Anyways, it seems a bit odd to continue arguing about it at this point. The current revision (thanks to crustacean) entirely acknowledges the other systems of the same generation, but without making unfounded or unverifiable claims. Bladestorm 18:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we mention both? Nintendo is targeting a different market (older people) than the other consoles, but as a seventh generation gaming console it competes with Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 at some levels. Jecowa 19:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll say it now. I still don't like the current version. I reallyt thought it was better to simply say that it's of the same generation as the 360 and PS3. (Silly me, I prefer articles to be free of POV, and only contain verifiable facts...) But, meh. I'm not going to gripe about this version any more unless it gets edited any further. Bladestorm 05:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

False shortage?

Nintendo has created a false shortage in the United States with the Wii. Unlike the PS3, which involves a new technology, there are no parts or chips in the Wii that are in short supply; thus there is no reason to make it unavailable to people during the holiday season. Based on sales of Game Cube and DS, Nintendo had to have had an idea of what to produce and put into the market place, and would surely want the fourth quarter sales. It will be unfortunate if children bear the brunt of this cold marketing ploy. Shore828 - can't find a tilde on my keyboard.

Do you have a source for this information? Just64helpin 22:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's not forget how Microsoft created a false shortage of 360's last year when they decided to not have a single U.S. factory producing the units, and shipping them by -- well, ship. Lol. Speculation and POV, non worthy of inclusion. --Stratadrake 23:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "false shortage"? The fact that you can't find a Wii in the store? If so, like Just64helpin said, do you have a source for this? Second, and most importantly, is this noteworthy, or just a PS3 fanboy thing?--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 23:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's a fanboy thing. The assumption that Nintendo, or any company, has essentially unlimited manufacturing capability has got to be. No new technology, wakkawakkawakka, etc. 00:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)-- Consumed Crustacean (talk)

And let's all remember that a surplus of demand is not the same thing as a lack of supply. --Stratadrake 01:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

They've sold out pretty quickly. This speaks more of the Wii's popularity than anything else, since it's sold over a million worldwide in under a month. That's a lot, even if Nintendo were manufacturing them quickly, that's still a lot. JONJONAUG 12:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Wal-mart might have something do do with the "shortage". They only get 3 wiis per store. (at least where I live)Cfive 23:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

In my area Wal-Marts (at least the two I asked) were stocked with 20 Wii units on launch. The Hastings in my town was given (hearsay). Anyway, Wal-Mart can't fix the shortage. I'm sure Wal-Mart would love to sell more Wiis if they had them. Jecowa 02:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii Controler Chart

http://www.wickable.com/Wii_ControllerChart.png This is by far one of the most usefull things related to the Wii. Someone either get the rights to include this on wikipedia or make a new one.Troysteinbauer 00:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Check Virtual Console (Wii), there is already something similiar. TJ Spyke 00:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii Remote/Wiimote naming convention

Hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd resume the discussion down here, because it was getting a bit high up in an already full page. (Incidentally, if anyone knows how to archie this talk page, it'd be much appreciated)
I think it's important to distinguish between a "common name", and a "nickname".
Wiimote is a nickname. (To be fair about my own personal bias, "wiimote" is what I personally choose to call it)
Wii Remote is the official name. Many people (myself included) like to refer to it as a 'wiimote', but very few think that 'wiimote' is the "real" name of the device. That's why it isn't used as the "common name". "Wiimote" is just a fun thing to call it. Nobody would ever seriously suggest referring to GW Bush as "Miserable Failure", even though I'm getting 351,000 hits for miserable failure, specifically within the context of bush. You'll notice that the PS3 article is listed as "PlayStation 3", even though "ps3" gets nearly three times as many hits as "playstation 3". That's because, while although more people tend to use the nickname of PS3, people still mostly recognize "playstation 3" as being the 'real' name of it. The only difference here being that PS3 is still very much acknowledged (and probably trademarked) by Sony, whileas Nintendo seems to be avoiding "wiimote" in general.

Or, if that's too long to read, a nickname isn't the same as a "common name". And I think most people know that it's "really" known as the "wii remote". That said, I would still absolutely oppose any suggestion in articles that "wiimote" is in any way "incorrect". It can be affectionately referred to as the "wiimote", colloqu... uh, I can't spell it, but you know what I mean... It can even be "unofficially referred to as the 'wiimote'", but not "incorrectly". :) Bladestorm 18:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Technically, the official name of the PS3 is the PLAYSTATION 3, in all caps. :P --Guess Who 22:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's my two cents. When talking with people, I will call it the "wiimote" because that is a viable nickname. The real name, the one given to it by Nintendo is "wii remote". I think it's noteworthy enough to be mentioned on the Wii Remote page (and it is), but it is unnecessary for the actual console page. Besides, if you type in Wiimote into the search bar, it will take you to the page that will inform you about it.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

"PS3" is an acronyms and guidelines recommend against using acronyms as article titles. "Miserable Failure" as a title for the George W. Bush article is against the guidelines of neutral point of view. "George W. Bush" is used 17.6 times more on the internet than "Miserable Failure". "Wiimote" is used time more on the internet than "Wii Remote". Additionally, it's unlikely for someone to believe that an acronym, such as "PS3," or a possibly libelous name, such as "Miserable Failure," would be the official or legal name for a subject. "Wiimote," on the otherhand, sounds like it could be the official name for the subject. Portmanteaus are very commonly used in product names, and I believe Japan is especially fond of them. Aquafresh, HeartStart, PlayStation, Famicom, VideoBus, OpenOffice, Adidas, Winterfresh, and Timeblaster are all examples of this. Why do you not want this mentioned? Are there any policies against it? Mentioning "Wiimote" will clear up some people's misconceptions about the name of the controller. As J.L.Main mentioned, some people think the Wii Remote and Wiimote are two different controllers. By saying, "The Wii Remote, unofficially known as the 'Wiimote,'" we would be clearly defining that they are the same as well as alluding that "Wii Remote" is the official name. It would be nice to mention this here at least while the Wii is new and until more people are aware of the official name. "Wiimote" isn't going to be the most common term forever. When it becomes much less common than "Wii Remote," it won't be necessary to mention it here, as people will accept that "Wii Remote" is the real name when they readd it here. Jecowa 03:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"Wiimote" is mentioned on the Wii Remote page, where it belongs. Why should it be mentioned on the page about the Wii system? Besides, if someone types in "Wiimote" or "Wii-mote" they will be redirected to the correct page. BTW, PlayStation isn't a portmanteau of anything. TJ Spyke 03:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned here to inform the readers of this page. The page encompasses more than just the Wii console itself. It's okay to talk about the Wii's controller here. Jecowa 04:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I imagine that people participating in the discussion have probably read the article as well. :)

Anyways, I have no problem calling it a 'wiimote' in normal conversation. That's what I do, myself. (It's actually the only reason I accepted a stupid name like, "wii". It's fun to call the thing a 'wiimote') As such, it's entirely appropriate to acknowledge 'wiimote' in the main article for the controller. However, I'm not seeing a reason for why it's necessary in the article on the wii. The small amount of information they have in the wii article is intentionally as short as possible. Mentioning nicknames is contrary to that concept. It's just a small technical blurb, and a link to the main article for it. That's appropriate. It isn't that 'wiimote' is offensive (at least, not to me), it's just that it's unnecessary padding.

Frankly, I don't see any reason to include the nickname other than the fact that you want it. As for people believing that the "wii remote" and "wiimote" are two separate devices... well... um... I really don't think that wikipedia should have its articles dumbed down to accomodate people who make mistakes like that. (Seriously, who makes that kind of mistake? The same people who don't know that Clark Kent and Superman are the same dude?) Bladestorm 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Jecowa does have a point, Wiki articles should generally be optimized for readers over editors. And as we know, Nintendo's own statements have had no effect on common usage; "Nintendo Wii" has stuck for clarity, and "Wiimote" sticks as a catchy nickname for the Remote. --Stratadrake 04:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we need to worry about this phrase making the Wii Remote section too large. As it is, it is so small that its picture is protruding into the Technical specifications section. A better way to reduce the size of the article would be to move the list of titles to its own article and optimize the references in the article. I think I'll work on that right now. Jecowa 04:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, a mere four words (i.e. "sometimes called the Wii-mote") is hardly going to affect the overall size of the article or its section. WP:LAME indeed.... --Stratadrake 04:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Article Size has never been the reason it shouldn't be included. TJ Spyke 04:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please tell me what official wikipedia guideline or policy "WP:LAME" is, because, obviously, if that were an insult, then that wouldn't go over well as a response to editors acting in good faith.
Anyways, saying that it should be "optimized for readers over editors" still doesn't explain any reason to include it. Saying that it's short isn't any reason to include it. Nicknames of peripherals don't seem necessary or appropriate in an article on the main system. That's my argument. What's your direct reasoning for including it? Without insults, please? Bladestorm 04:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I could ask what solid arguments there are for not including it? Anyway, remember WP:LAME is not a policy itself but just a documentation on the silliest things that Wiki editors have argued over. And really, this whole edit/revert war over whether or not to mention the Remote's common nickname (a mere four words) fits the common theme exemplified by WP:LAME, i.e. protracted edit and/or revert conflicts over something extremely minor. --Stratadrake 13:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, first off, read the arguments already given. It's unnecessary for an article about the wii. It's mildly inappropriate for a quick technical description of the device. Not every nickname needs to be echoed every time an official name is used. And, most importantly, simply because there's disagreement as to whether or not it should be included, and zero justification for including it.

That is, if people give reasons not to, then you have to give a reason to. Bladestorm 18:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to state, again, why "As J.L.Main mentioned, some people think the Wii Remote and Wiimote are two different controllers." is not a reason to include it. If you type Wiimote into the search bar, presumably because you want to know about it versus the Wii remote, you will be redirected to Wii Remote, where it clearly states: "The Wii Remote, also nicknamed 'Wiimote.'" I also think having a mention of Wiimote on the Wii page is getting crufty. Again, as mentioned above, Nintendo's official term for the controller is Wii remote, not Wiimote. Now, what reasons to include it are not covered by that paragraph?--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Here are two reasons that this should be mentioned. The term "Wiimote" is a very common term for the Wii Remote. On the internet it is used more often than the official name on English pages. Although this section is just a summary of the main article, several people feel that fact is interesting enough to mention in it.

The common naming convention, as Ajmayhew said, "[c]learly states that the common name is to be used. … [W]hilst it talks about the page titles as a special case, it does not make a distinction against titles of things used in a page. It's been demonstrated that its common name is Wiimote." If we went by the common names guideline, "Wiimote" would be mentioned in every instance. Can we at least mention it in the "Wii Remote" section once? Jecowa 21:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If we were to go by naming conventions, as you suggest, then the one that was selected for the main article's title already should be the one used (and the one we already use). Also, there is no need the be redundant when the user can easily click on the link to Wii remote and see that it is also the Wii-mote, or they can type in Wii-mote into the search bar and get there as well on this page. There is no need for it to be in the console's article.

No one is disputing that Wii-mote is used. Most of us say we use it in everyday speech and Nick found a reference below that the NOA President uses it. That is not the issue. The issue is should we use it inside the article for the console. Why? Yes, several people think so, but several other people disagree, so please come up with another argument.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 01:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, NOA President Reggie Fils-Aime calls it the wiimote in this video interviewIt's at about 2:58 left. NickCharbuski 22:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Release data in Spain

The release date in Spain is December 9, but there are shops where Wii has put to the sale today, decamber 5. There are some blogs where they give the news. For example: VidaExtra - Wii a la venta ya en España (spanish) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.33.35.143 (talk) 03:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

This isn't the first time a store has broken the release date, and it's something the game companies don't like. TJ Spyke 03:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

External link request - ntsc-uk hardware overview

Please can I add an external link? http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?featuretype=hdw&fea=NintendoWiiHardwareReview —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charlesr (talk • contribs) 10:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

We don't have any links to a review of the system itself yet. Presently in the unofficial category we have three game review sites and a forum site linked. I'd rather have this page than the IGN and GameSpot pages linked. The IGN page is a big eyesore and the GameSpot page isn't far behind it. IGN and GameSpot seem really similar, do we need both of them, or either of them? Jecowa 10:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Given the lack of objection, I think that's a yes. Be bold. 217.206.142.66 15:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oooops. I tried adding the link myself, but it got removed. I just read the external links thing again and noticed I'm not allowed to add it myself, especially since I'm the Editor of said site, so apologies! I'll let someone else add it if they want. If you need any more persuasion, ntsc-uk is a non-profit site, with writers that write for free (we get a few games a month from our affiliates in return for a single unobtrusive advert on each page, but no cash profit is generated, so we aren't bothered about generating traffic). Our similar overview of the Panasonic Q has been linked on the wiki's Q page by someone. --Charlesr 16:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Explanation of Mii's

I looked around and saw no real explanation about Mii's and their significance/use/creation/etc. Infact the only mention of Mii's on this page is the note of there being a Mii channel. Personally I feel they are an important enough part of the system and (some) games that they should at least be expanded upon a bit. Genosis 10:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

There is additional information on Miis but not in the Wii article. Mii Channel has more detailed information on the Miis. Is this acceptable? Jecowa 11:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks. I supose I should have looked harder. Genosis 13:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii Aditional Name Information

Further to the info regarding the Name Wii, whilst the marketing explanation is Wii means "WE" as in we all use it Nintendo named the console Wii as a simple abbreviation of Wireless Interactive Interface, which is what it is, as opposed to a games console. Johnny Yen —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.36.123.233 (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Do you have a source for this information? Just64helpin 22:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"Wireless Interactive Interface" is an unofficial backronym. Jecowa 22:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"unofficial" as in made up be people on the internet. Since it's something someone just made up, it obviously won't go into the article. TJ Spyke 23:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree this shouldn't be included. It's only used by a very small number of people in forums. Google only gives 18 results for "Wireless Interactive Interface". Jecowa 00:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, if it passes the test for non-notability.... --Stratadrake 00:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Current Event tag

I got rid of the Current Event tag. It's been a couple weeks since the launch, so I think it's appropriate. The PS3 article already had it removed.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 20:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The Wii is launching tomorrow in Australia, and the day after in Europe. I think that's current. The PS3 had it removed because it won't launch in those markets until at least March. TJ Spyke 22:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose we should add it tomorrow, then. Just64helpin 22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That was my plan... sorry that I didn't mention that.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 01:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It has already been released in Australia since it's about 3PM there. So I will add it back in now. TJ Spyke 01:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I really need to remember that there are time zones... thanks TJ...--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 01:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Breaking the release date

I got my Wii first thing in the morning, even though I live in Yurp, where it's supposed to be released tomorrow. Apparently Nintendo has sent out letters to retailers sating that, if people want a Wii, they can give it to them, even though it's not officially out yet. --King Nintendoid 12:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No, they haven't. Retailers who break the street date may well be fined. 217.206.142.66 15:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, it isn't noteworthy enough for the article, so why discuss it? --Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 19:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Should Iwata's Comment Be Mentioned?

Hehe! Ok, I wont antagonize anyone anymore about whether or not the Wii is in direct competition with its fellow 7th gen consoles (It actually seems to be in competition with the DS more) but should Iwata's friendly jab at Sony be mentioned in our article? I quote, "We aren't planning on competing with the PS3, but we'd like it to be said that in the end, Nintendo sold more." Check it out on IGN if you haven't seen it yet. Nintenboy01 21:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Not really, because it really won't matter even when it comes true.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 01:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Whats happened to the table!?!

The launch games table used to be clear and really easy to read but this new one is so confusing it defeats the purpose of having one. Jimmy93211 00:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

How is it confusing? The regions are all clearly listed in abbreviated form. NA for North America, SA for South America, AST for Australia, EUR for Europe, JPN for Japan... I'm confused as to how you are confused. If you could be more specific, then maybe someone can fix it.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 01:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

False sales data

Apparently Nintendo exaggerated the amount of units it had sold. According to NPD, Nintendo sold 473,000 Wii units in North America during the month of November, [19] this contradicts Nintendo's claim on November 27 that it had sold 600,000 units in North America. [20] Dionyseus 01:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought NPD only tracked US sales. Even so, Nintendo's figure encompasses more than just North America. Dancter 01:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

NPD tracks North America sales, that's Canada and United States. Nintendo's figures were for North America as they had not yet launched in Japan (Japan launch was on December 2). Dionyseus 01:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected on the NPD thing, but I thought the American launch included Latin American countries. Am I misunderstanding Nintendo's terminology? Dancter 01:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, it seems that NPD often reports Canadian and US sales separately. Why are we to assume they mean North America this time, when every source I've seen specifically mentions that the figure is for the United States? Dancter 02:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

This is the first time I ever heard of NPD reporting Canada and US sales data seperately, do you have any evidence of this? I think when Gamedaily and Gamespot said US in their report of NPD's report, they meant to say North America. Furthermore, shipments to Canada are tiny compared to shipments to the United States, for example for the North American launch of the Xbox 360, only a little over 30,000 were shipped to Canada. Dionyseus 02:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Those numbers you just mentioned were from NPD,[21] in which case the GameSpot and IGN articles quoted only the US statistics,[22][23] and did not factor in the Canadian sales. In both cases, the wording was loose, implying but not stating that the numbers were for North America overall. I suspect that this would be the more likely error if there were one in the case of the November Wii numbers, but considering the wording, I think that the sources can be trusted to mean the United States. Regardless, we don't have the sales information for the other countries, so I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that Nintendo misrepresented its sales for the Americas. Dancter 03:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Apparently you are right about NPD releasing US and Canada sales figures seperately. However, I highly doubt that Canada would make up for the unaccounted 124,000 consoles. Perhaps User:Jecowa is right that Nintendo meant that they shipped 600,000 to retailers. Dionyseus 05:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think when Nintendo said they sold 600,000 in America, they meant they sold that many to retailers. The most Nintendo would know is how many they sold to the retailers and which retailers are asking for more units, right? Jecowa 01:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

if xbox sold 10% of thier initial sails to canada than it makes sence that nintendo would also. even if it were only 60K, with the addition of latin america it would come pretty close to 100k that is seemingly missing. i'm going to say the nintendo probably just rounded up.J.L.Main 02:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The NPD data released covers the US only. Nintendo said they sold 600K in the AMERICAS, meaning it includes Columbia and Peru (where they launched in South America) and Mexico. TJ Spyke 00:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii Strap Breakages?

How about a section about the wrist strap breaking when the remote (may be) used excessively. Apparently screens are breaking from flying remotes. A critisism if anything. Gaz 01:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It made Reuters, should be notable. [24] WP 04:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

While although it's a notable concept in general, I really think that it's more related to the wii remote itself, rather than the wii, as a system. (To that end, it's been included in the wiimote article for a while now. Bladestorm 05:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Should be noted that on wiihaveaproblem.com, there are only about 15 reports of this happening. its overhyped.

It is just overhype, some people are being careless with their controllers, that's it. TJ Spyke 00:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sites are reporting that replacements now have thicker straps, but this should probably stay on the Wiimote page. - hahnchen 05:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo has started making thicker straps on all new remotes to address the problem. These are also available on any remotes Nintendo replaces from this point on. Bradibus 21:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

CTRL+F > "will" > Enter, enter, etc.

Find every occurrence of the word "will" and replace it with "is" or "are" or whatever makes sense. Wii's been out, we're in the present tense...or, we will be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.117.19.131 (talk) 05:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Hurray for find and replace! Jecowa 05:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Just for clarification: you don't want to replace every instance of the word will, Only those referring to the Wii's launch. Bradibus 21:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

History?

If this indeed pans out as a fork in the history of gaming, I think some serious mention of the conceptualizing of the Wii should be made. I seem to remember Myiamoto speaking in an interview around 1999 or so about his ideal system being one simpe enough to be played with one button. That stuck out to me at the time as bizarre, but it seems the vision was clear even then. I don;t have the time or resources to check this out but it might be a fascinating addition to the article. - Plasticbadge 18:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I happen to be working on something quite similar to that. It's a work in progress, and I won't add it until it's just right. Just64helpin 21:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Redundancy?

Do we need to have the same thing mentioned twice in the same paragraph? I thought that mentioning it once was enough so I deleted the second one. This, Nintendo has released an Ethernet Kit for the Wii console, which allows users to connect the console to a standard internet router without wireless support., is what I deleted. If this needs to be changed the whole paragraph needs to be reworded. Thanks,--Darkest Hour ^$_$^$_$ 19:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job. Jecowa 03:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

We should add nintendo got sued

IGN--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 21:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting development, a U.S. company suing the American division of a Japan-based company for something developed on the Japan side of things. But better cite it to be sure. --Stratadrake 01:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Kotaku, which may or may not be a reliable source, has a copy of the complaint [25]. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Kotaku is quite notable, but IGN is definitely more notable and should be used as the source. Dionyseus 01:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I linked the IGN article and Kotaku transcript, though both may not be necessary (and this was shortly before my PC froze... grr.) --Stratadrake 02:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting. The product they claimed to have copied is nothing more than a laser pointer that also doubles as a clicker for slideshow presentations. Bradibus 21:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

New Thicker Wii Strap in American remotes

I just recently got a new remote and strap from Nintendo after replacing my old broken one, and I noticed the new strap is thicker than the ones that were available during launch. I've taken a comparison picture: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Adeon/wiistrap.jpg Bradibus 21:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

This may be the reason. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The urine thing (again)

Sorry, I really don't want to drag this up for the fifteenth time, and I guess the wording will do as it is, but surely I can't be the only person who finds the so-called consensus on archive #14 completely unsatisfactory? There was a discussion that basically involved one person against several, and the vote was closed within a day, before even that one person had the opportunity to vote, thereby giving the impression of a 100% consensus. Surely that's no basis to say that the matter has been resolved, because it clearly hasn't?--Victim Of Fate 15:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It had already been discussed before that too. There won't be any urine mention in the article, end of story. TJ Spyke 00:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Even if he did vote, the outcome would have been 10-1 against it. The voting did only last 16 hours though. Do you think we should mention it in the article, Victim Of Fate? Maybe something like this - "Because 'Wii' is also a homophone of a euphemism for urine, many junior high boys and other immature people giggled upon hearing its name." Is there a way to say that without stereotyping junior high boys? Jecowa 00:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I think it should say something like "...pointing out phonetic similarities to the French word 'oui' and a common playground term for urine in English." I really don't see what's immature or unverifiable there, and I don't see that it's unimportant either.--Victim Of Fate 14:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't imagine you need an extra opinion, but bothering to mention urine would seem rather immature and unnecessary. (not to mention, not notable) Bladestorm 01:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Even if we mention it, heaven forbid anyone wikilink it (ordinary word with no relevance to the article's context). He is correct, though, that the last strawpoll didn't exactly live very long. If we are to do another, we should give it its official "day in court" and wait the official five days before drawing a consensus. --Stratadrake 02:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

(And as a person who likes to edit first and ask questions later....)

This straw poll is useless. First, someone explain how not mentioning any reference to urine is supposed to square with Wikipedia is not censored. Secondly, what use is a vote? This is about consensus, and it ends with compromise. There is no compromise here, there is no end of story, there's nothing that will keep all parties satisfied, which is why it's being brought up again. "A negative word in English" is silly and vague. It's the language of school marms. It absolutely begs to be edited and be put out of its misery. I changed that wording and inserted a reference to pee, and although I didn't see the "do not add urine note" because it was several paragraphs above where the actual edit was, I apologize for ignoring that the issue was in contention. However, the idea that we influence the language in this article from the usual straight-forward style of prose that is a staple of WP (afterall, this web site featured History of erotic depictions on its front page, complete with a thumbnail of a oil lamp depicting doggystyle sex) because snickering junior high kids might laugh at the word "wee" is, at the least, not consistent with WP's style. hateless 04:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

One quick postscript: If the issue is that "wee" is not referenced, then "a negative word" should be excised completely. hateless 04:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What's the point in putting "a negative word"? It's absolutely ridiculous, either insert a piss reference or remove the stupid phrasing altogether. "A negative word" - It sounds like censorship. - hahnchen 05:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that "a negative word" sounds silly, especially considering that Wikipedia is not censored. What's so bad about the word "pee"? Dionyseus 06:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Tht was put in as a compromise to te immature people who had an obsession with urine. TJ Spyke 23:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I take exception to the phrase "obsession with urine". Thinking that the article should contain a single line informing that a large number of people criticised the name because of its similarity to a common euphemism for urine is not being "obsessed with urine".--Victim Of Fate 07:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

A wee survey

Can we have one last strawpoll to end them all? Give it the full five days and list your statements -- try to back them up with NPOV, logical reasons (because "stupid" or "lame" are not logical arguments). --Stratadrake 02:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Question: "Wii" is the name that launched a thousand jokes, many comparing it to urine. Do we mention the urine reference?

• No - mentioning (and citing) the general criticism is enough; most people will draw the urine reference on their own, we don't need to point it out for them (and heaven forbid trying to wikilink it, plain ordinary words should not be wikilinked). --Stratadrake 02:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Hell No For the reasons stated here and every other time this idea has been shot down. This is the last time this question will be asked. TJ Spyke 02:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No per reasons stated by User:Sir hugo in the discussion found at Talk:Wii/archive14. He said, "This is childish humor that should not be included in WP. I consider it vandalism and stupid, it hurts the article more then helps it. By the way, this can be four year old humor even if an adult finds it funny, it just means that adult has the sense of humor of a child which alot of men do." and I couldn't agree with him more. // Sasuke-kun27 02:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No - I don't want to be repetitive, see the above reasoning.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 02:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No It doesn't add any value to the article. It's not mentioned in the article for the pronoun we so why should it be mentioned in the article for the Wii? There isn't even an article for "wee". This is wikipedia, not urbandictionary.--220.237.2.185 03:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment This user's user name is an IP address. If there is a policy against allowing unregistered users to participate in polls, could you please point it out? Jecowa 03:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
    • There's no policy, but IP votes usually carry less weight than registered users. TJ Spyke 03:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No - It is not especially notable. The only reference to urine that may be appropriate in the article would be in trivia section, or, if it's mentioned on something like Saturday Night Live, the popular culture section. Jecowa 03:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No- This shouldn't even be an issue at this point. Let it end already. RobJ1981 03:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No- Nobody wants it already! It's immature, adds nothing useful to the article, and really is getting annoying. [26] [27] FyreNWater 03:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes if sourced. Whoever wants to add information about these childish comments, he will have to find the references per our verifiability policy. As far as I know, there are reliable sources which I found back when the name was announced. However, since I am not interested in having a long term conflict with susceptible editors, and people wanting to add a reference to the jokes are usually a) Sony or Microsoft fanboys; b) anonymous ips; or c) new accounts; I am confident the article will stay clean from that information. -- ReyBrujo 03:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No In my experience this is dying down. The Wii has been out for three weeks now, and people are used to it. So, at this point, people came, laughed, got over it. So, my answer is NO. --Purplepurplepurple 03:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes - Urine is already refered to in the Wii#Name section. I don't think we need to mention the word "urine" in the article, but I don't see why we shouldn't change the phrase "a negative word in English" to "wee." "Wee" means more than just urine, by the way. It also describes the Wii's small size. Jecowa 04:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No as per comments above. Hongshi 12:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes - if we're going to mention that it sounds like a "negative word in English", then it seems ridiculous and uninformative not to mention what that negative homophone is.--Victim Of Fate 14:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes. As long as it is properly referenced, than why not? Many reputable sources mentioned and discussed the name, so finding sources shouldn't be a problem. The phrase 'a negative word in English' is vague and seems to be breaching Wikipedia is not censored. I am also unsure as to why WP:CONTEXT is being used as an argument against linking 'wee' here. Linking the word is essential to understanding its meaning. Furthermore, Wikipedia editors do not get to pick and choose which bits of relevant media coverage go in the article. This article isn't about putting a positive spin on the Wii, but detailing the facts. Facts are, there was negative press about the name. Dancing around the word 'wee' is tantamount to pretending it never happened. Hammer Raccoon 16:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes I completely agree with User:Hammer Raccoon's statement. Dionyseus 16:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Absolutely Not. It doesn't have even the slightest bit of relevance to the machine and it would reflect worse upon Wikipedia than Nintendo if we were to include such childish piffle. - NP Chilla 16:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Heck No Kofi Annan's first name, when said by a New Yorker, sounds pretty much identical to "coffee". However, there is no mention of that in the article. Why? Because it isn't a matter of censorship, it's simply the fact that a few childish jokes do not create notability. (Bladestorm-Can someone sign this for me?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.47.226 (talk • contribs)
• Weak No It serves no purpose, however if written maturely it would not hurt the article. Bradibus 21:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No - references to urine merely open the door to further edits which would compromise the quality of the article. Just64helpin 21:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes The inconsistency here is hilarious: the French word oui is explicitly stated (and wikilinked, no less!) yet the English connotation assumes the vague phrase "several words in English." As a proud owner of the Wii, I'm slightly ashamed that many editors heavily invest their collective time in protecting the system from any criticism. The truth is (as acknowledged by Fils-Aime) that when Nintendo revealed the name change, the name was ridiculed across the press. Do you know what word the media compared it to? It was wee! And do you know the most common interpretation of the word? Because I don't want to poke fun at the console's name (anything but that!), I'll just say that it had to something to do with some sort of bodily function which shall remain nameless. It kills me how you guys are referring to other editors as immature. --Tristam 21:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• No - I see no need to mention it in the article, unless it becomes far more notable as it is only school children that seem to be giggling about the name, and that in my opinion is not encyclopedic Golden Dragoon 01:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  Comment: are the editors of Engadget, Joystig, Kotaku, etc. children? Scepia 05:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  Joystiq has bloggers only :-) -- ReyBrujo 05:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  slash the blogs, I could give probably 25 sources for this. and don't tell me to "prove it". you know it, I know it, the Wikipedian people know it. Scepia 01:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - are college kids school kids? cause we had a wii pun contest at my college which i got second in. they were all completely inappropriate and i i posted what the winner was i would probable be banned from wikipedia for being offensive or something, but we all laughed our collective heads off. J.L.Main 03:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes - see User:Tristam's comment above. to say that Wikipedia users made this up or something is simply untrue. Engadget, Joystiq, Kotaku, IGN, GameSpot, I could go on and on, made reference to it. Scepia 05:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes per ReyBruyo, Tristam. jaco♫plane 05:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes per Hammer Raccoon and Tristam. It's immature and stupid yes, but it's a fact that it's mentioned by many people. It does add a little value to the article because it is an example of one of the many jokes made about the name. Just add that one sentence in a mature way. - Face 20:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Wow... 9.4 kb text about a single word, even more about the remote. This would make a pretty good South Park episode. - Face 20:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Of course the jokes and puns are childish, but what people don't seem to understand is that when the BBC and Engadget reference the 'puerile jokes', IGN comments on some readers 'phallic designs' of the Wii, The Guardian mentions the 'weak puns' and gamesindustry.biz acknowledges 'wee' means 'to urinate', it becomes notable enough to mention. Hammer Raccoon 20:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes Unfortunately, I have to say yes. It is fact that lots of people, including the mainstream media, made a lot of comments, direct or otherwise, regarding the correlation of 'Wii' to 'wee'. However, this is not meant as a license to be juvenile. A well-sourced, maturely written mention of the humor that was derived from the name, is in order. "Durr, huh-huh, Wii means pee, lol" is not called for. But, not putting it in the article at all is "hiding it" IMO. Danny 21:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a comment, just like to point out that even 'wee' doesn't solely refer to urine. To me, it always meant, "small". (As in, a wee lad?) There's also "wheee!" (As in, something that you shout when rolling around in your chair across the computer lab) Would it really be appropriate to list every bloody word that it can sound like? (And, again, I can provide several citations likening the sound of Kofi (as in Kofi Annan) to 'coffee'. Still not in his article though) (~Bladestorm)

Reply to comment... I realize there's more than one correlated word. The point is, which one did everyone pick up on the most? It sure wasn't 'whee' or 'oui'. I'm not advocating perfunctory potty humor here, but the (rather large) reaction to the name is culturally significant in direct relation to relaying information about the Wii. Danny 23:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• No per the reasons stated by Sasuke. DS9 Voyager 21:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• no. Just "live with it, sleep with it, eat with it, move along with it." SYSS Mouse 01:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• yes. The fact is, Wikipedia is not Censored, and in my mind, there is no reason to say, "wii sounds similar to words in english with negative connotations," and leave out what words. I think explicitly stating what words it's similar to can only help the point being made, as opposed to the vague nature of the sentence now.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Demeteloaf (talk • contribs)
  • This is not about censorship. The only reason the comment about negative connotations was put in was as a compromise to those obsessed with urine. TJ Spyke 05:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• Negative comment, if it is mentioned then every other word in any language or slang that sounds like Wii needs mentioning too. I can currently think of 7 meanings of a word that sounds like Wii (yes, some have already been mentioned, but I'm putting them in one place and wikilinking them for completeness): Wii (obviously), we, oui (French), whee, wie (Dutch), wee (two separate meanings) - MTC 06:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment wee (Dutch) is pronounced differently from Wii and should therefore not be in your list. If you want to, though, you can add wie (Dutch) instead. Mausy5043 17:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Reply to comment I stand corrected, It's changed now. - MTC 18:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - We only need to include the homophones mentioned in the cited sources. Jecowa 07:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Reply to comment I agree, but has anyone come up with any cited sources yet? - MTC 14:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Reply - Yes, Hammer Raccoon in the above comment listed serveral sources on 20:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC). Jecowa 01:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
      • User Hammer Raccoon seems to have cited some sources above, and I'm pretty sure other sources could be found if necessary. They certainly exist. I know this seems like a ridiculous discussion to be having about something so trivial, but I guess both sides just cannot see the other side's point of view.--Victim Of Fate 16:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • comment what about when you are pushing your son on the swing set and he goes "WEEEEEEE!!!!!!"J.L.Main 07:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Reply to comment That word is whee and it is listed above - MTC 14:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• NO. Okay kids. It's ridiculous we're having this discussion. The reference to urinating should go. There is no precendent for including something like this in an encyclopedic article. The entries for the homophones also do not refer to urinating. Mausy5043 17:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• No. It's irrelevant. Kelvingreen 17:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

How is something that has been widely reported in the mainstream media irrelevant? And can anyone come up with an arguement against including the reference to 'wee' other than "it's childish". Wikipedia isn't here to pass judgement on what the press reports. Hammer Raccoon 00:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment - Hammer Raccoon is correct. Did you guys miss Stratadrake's suggestion? Try to back them up with NPOV, logical reasons (because "stupid" or "lame" are not logical arguments). TJ Spyke's argument follows a vague "reasons stated here and every other time this idea has been shot down." Stratadrake's justification excepted, all of the above are in violation of Wikipedia:Assume good faith and fail to realize (or pointedly ignore) a use/mention distinction. Some "no" votes don't provide any reasoning at all, even beyond the standard "it's immature/stupid/lame/etc." To quote RobJ1981, "This shouldn't even be an issue at this point. Let it end already." In another "no" vote, SYSS Mouse uses Nintendo's justification for the name: "live with it, sleep with it, eat with it, move along with it." To reiterate a point: this has nothing to do with editors criticizing the Wii's name, but it has everything to do with maintaining NPOV and reporting what the media had fun over for a week, rather than tiptoeing around what exactly was said in hopes of distancing the Wii from its more negative connotations. You can accuse us of being PS3/Xbox360 fanboys all you want, but if you glance at the userpages of nearly EVERY yes voter here, you'll find a "This user prefers Wii" userbox. To continue, no user has addressed my observation over consistency with the name comparisons. As a final note, no one here is the sole arbiter of Wikipedia, this article, or even this discussion; as such, nobody present has authority in deciding whether this question will be asked again, or whether such a poll will be conducted again. --Tristam 01:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Yes - Edit: - It is childish to distort the story simply because the topic makes you uncomfortable. You can't say "members of the press, online communities and game developers initially reacted negatively to the name change. " without explaining why this negative reaction occurred, and the #1 reason is the urine connection. Nor can the reactions of children be dismissed, given that they are a major part of the market for the Wii. It needn't be dwelt on, but there is no debate that IS what the public reaction was. Urine is part of the story. Algr 01:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Nope - Only if there is a verifiable source, and not just some random weblost stating "OMG It's called Wee!" should it be stated in an encyclopedia, everyone with a basic grasp of english will get it anyway. Aetherfukz 01:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • • Reply - Yes, there are many verifiable sources. Hammer Raccoon, in the above comment, listed serveral sources on 20:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC). Jecowa 01:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• No - what is the motivation behind this? I am under the opinion that Wikipedia must strive to maintain a certain encyclopedic standard. This is why such childish crap would never be allowed in other unfortunately named articles (e.g. Bangkok). ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 01:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • • • Reply What's childish about the fact that analysts worried about the marketability of the product due to the fact that the product's name sounds like the word "pee"? Your Bangkok anology simply doesn't work. Dionyseus 01:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Reply The media doesn't go on about Bangkok. Jokes about the Wii's name were not and are not limited to elementary school playgrounds. --Tristam 01:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Like Urine for example? See also Uranus in fiction, which has a whole section dedicated to crude jokes. Algr 01:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes - there are plenty of media sources to back up the connotation. Yes it's childish, but that makes it no less verifiable or notable. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Yes - Let's not let childishness get in the way of documenting widespread childishness. A few citations should do the trick. --Maxamegalon2000 06:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• YES - saddly i must agree with these childish people who want to stick a referance to urin in every artical they can. this is verafiable fact and has been experianced first hand by every person here. it is a ligitamite part of wii history. even if it is childish and vulger.J.L.Main 06:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Legal status of nunchuk

In, for example, Germany, it is illegal to own nunchuk. Also (as I recall), they can be owned in the UK but must not be publicly visible outside of a martial arts training dojo. Admittedly the nunchuk controller hardly resembles a real nunchuk, but I am curious about any legal/popularist reaction to the "nunchuk controller". (Remember the "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" scandal in the UK?)
Sorry for being vague and having no references, but I used to train with those things!
138.243.228.52 16:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Um... I'll admit that I'm not familiar with the TMNT scandal in the UK, but I'm going to venture a guess... did it have to do with the fact that Michaelangelo used nunchucks/nunchuks/nunchaku/however-they're-spelled-these-days? See, that's the thing... the 'nunchuk' controller is only called so because it's tethered to the wiimote in a fashion which makes the complete assembly vaguely resemble the concept behind a nunchuk. However, it is, by no means, mistakeable for a weapon. There are cellphones these days named "Katana", but I'm pretty sure you can conceal these phones without fear of being arrested. Nunchuks, referring to the real thing, are illegal in far more than just Germany, but there's no way any cop will look twice if he sees a wiimote and connected peripheral. (At least, not until some stupid kid tries to use it to garrote someone and then ruins it for everyone) (~Bladestorm) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.88.47.226 (talk) 19:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

I think it was more like the word "ninja" was to violent for kids. Jecowa 20:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the slightly confusing original post. The UK turtles scandal (in no way connected to nunchuk) was the percieved violence of the word "ninja" and the series content in general. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.
138.243.228.52 00:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, it was the BBC who made the decision to rebrand TMNT as TMNHT in the UK, so if Nintendo haven't made the decision to rebrand the nunchuck, I don't think anyone will force them to.--Victim Of Fate 12:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a section on the Ninja Turtle censoring. It says senses with Michelangelo's nunchaku were edited out. It's kind of strange that nunchaku are violent weapons, but Leonardo's katana are peaceful as a flower. The section ends by saying the censoring laws were abolished at least three years ago, so Nintendo's nunchuk should be okay in the UK now. Jecowa 18:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Sales numbers

it says wii has sold 50,000 units in europe and the source for that says its sold 50,000 in the uk and all the other sites say 50000 in the uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.67.233 (talk • contribs)

I've made the correction. Just64helpin 17:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Prices in Colombia

Wii, the Colombian people, were having the Wii in stores since November 19. But there appears to be little or any info of the Wii and accesories' prices in Colombia and Latin America. Not only the first world has the right to be prioritized. 200.21.238.118 23:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Most of us don't live in Columbia or have that info. Do you have any sources that have this info? You can also be bold and add it yourself. TJ Spyke 23:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

External 64mb RAM is GDDR3, not 1T-SRAM

Some sources (IGN) have been saying that the external 64Mb RAM module is 1T-SRAM, but in fact only the 24Mb internal module is 1T-SRAM, and the 64Mb module is GDDR3 RAM. The photograph of the Wii memory chip to the right proves it. If we look up its part number "K4J52324QC" on Samsung's website [28], we see it's a 64Mb GDDR3 chip. Redquark 02:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see WP:V and WP:NOR. Just64helpin 22:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

So maybe the article should just say there is 64MB of external (to the chip) memory, and not say what kind it is. At the very least, I think we need a source for the 1T-SRAM claim if we are going to leave it in. Rees11 22:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to give a note on the NOR and Verifiability guideline.
First, the Verifiability guideline: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth"... simply lovely I must say. Second: many people would like to have references to veryfiying everything and have those references signed by universities or whatever. Consider for example the following: 640x368=0.22MP does it needs to be proofed? Obviously not, simple math. As such, if there's a sequence of frames showing a Wii cracked open and zooming up to the chip, I would consider this as applicable to at least a batch of systems.
I personally believe this shall be noted, at least on the Talk (which doesn't need to be verifiable as I know) and especially as a sign those guidelines shall be "improved" at least.
83.190.159.240 08:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Your brain is not a source that people can check, though. I mean, for all a reader knows, those pictures were photoshopped. That's why it's verifiable sources. Sockatume 12:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

E-mail/Wii-Mail

I dont know if im just totally missing it, but the article seems to be lacking any information concerning the fact that Wii's can send and recieve e-mail as well as picture attackments in the form of jpeg's with those e-mails.--Azslande 00:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Archive

Oh, dear... has anybody seen how goddarned huge the table of contents is?!?? This talk page definitely needs to be split into an archive or two! --Luigifan 12:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

External 64mb RAM is GDDR3, not 1T-SRAM

Some sources (IGN) have been saying that the external 64Mb RAM module is 1T-SRAM, but in fact only the 24Mb internal module is 1T-SRAM, and the 64Mb module is GDDR3 RAM. The photograph of the Wii memory chip to the right proves it. If we look up its part number "K4J52324QC" on Samsung's website [29], we see it's a 64Mb GDDR3 chip. Redquark 02:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see WP:V and WP:NOR. Just64helpin 22:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

So maybe the article should just say there is 64MB of external (to the chip) memory, and not say what kind it is. At the very least, I think we need a source for the 1T-SRAM claim if we are going to leave it in. Rees11 22:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to give a note on the NOR and Verifiability guideline.
First, the Verifiability guideline: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth"... simply lovely I must say. Second: many people would like to have references to veryfiying everything and have those references signed by universities or whatever. Consider for example the following: 640x368=0.22MP does it needs to be proofed? Obviously not, simple math. As such, if there's a sequence of frames showing a Wii cracked open and zooming up to the chip, I would consider this as applicable to at least a batch of systems.
I personally believe this shall be noted, at least on the Talk (which doesn't need to be verifiable as I know) and especially as a sign those guidelines shall be "improved" at least.
83.190.159.240 08:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Your brain is not a source that people can check, though. I mean, for all a reader knows, those pictures were photoshopped. That's why it's verifiable sources. Sockatume 12:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

In that case Mr. Sock, why not rip open your own Wii and look at the chip yourself? Why would anyone photoshop such a thing if the Wii is out and in the hands of over a million people, quite a few of whom have taken the console apart? Poor logic can be rampant at times here on Wikipedia. It's definitely GDDR3. There's no MoSys branding either unlike on the GCN. Nintenboy01 18:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The claim that including this fact violates WP:V and WP:NOR is silly. An actual picture of the inside of a Wii is the most reliable source I can imagine (and Sockatume, there's no conceivable reason why it would be falsified), and the part number is just as good as if it was written "64MB GDDR3" right on the chip. It doesn't constitute "analysis" or "synthesis" merely to look it up. Redquark 16:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The innards of a video game console are not a published source. Just64helpin 17:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Sir, not everything presented on Wiki needs to be from an actual published source, especially if one does not exist in this case. Besides I think looking at Wii's innards is "verification" enough. And technically doesn't an authentic photo of the Wii's internals count as a "published source"? It's poor logic and excessive bureaucracy at work again here, people... Nintenboy01 16:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:RS says: "Any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source, and the responsibility for finding a source lies with the person who adds or restores the material. Unsourced or poorly sourced edits may be challenged and removed at any time. Sometimes it is better to have no information at all than to have information without a source." I'm just saying is all. --Maxamegalon2000 16:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I still think the picture was a good PUBLISHED source, and don't give me that poor poop-riddled excuse that someone photoshopped it! Plus I doubt Nintendo or their hardware partners would intentionally mislabel parts inside the Wii. And why are some of you guys so adamant about defending it as being 1T-SRAM? GDDR3 is a far more recent and advanced development with even lower latency and higher bandwidth... It's what Xbox 360 and PS3 use. 1T-SRAM was the cat's meow in 2001, but it has been surpassed. And moSys owns the rights to 1T-SRAM. But the chip isn't labeled as such... Nintenboy01 16:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

If the photo was released by a reliable news source, that might work. Unfortnuately it's from the Wikipedia user who posted it, which makes it less than reliable. The defense isn't against what the source states, but what the source is. Just64helpin 18:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Mind if I chime in here? The picture itself, taken in and of itself, isn't a source of evidence.
I do not believe that it was photoshopped, but there is nothing to prove that it's from a wii. It requires absolute blindfaith in the person who uploaded it. It isn't "verifiable". However, if this person takes several pictures, including some zoomed much further out, then it may be valid evidence. That is, you need to show that it's a part of something that's objectively provable as a wii. However, if you can do that, then I don't see a problem with accepting it as valid evidence.
But, in the absence of proof that it's from the wii, and still that it's GDDR3, it just doesn't meet very high standards as evidence. Having to look up the code on a chip isn't OR. Legitimate photographic evidence certainly shouldn't be dismissed (if only to avoid instruction creep, or heck, even by invoking the "Ignore All Rules" rule), but this isn't actually evidence of anything, other than that one of these chips exists in general. Bladestorm 19:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, didn't Popular Mechanic's site have a series of detailed pics of a Wii being disassembled? Including a shot of the whole motherboard? Surely that would be a valid link/reference point. Nintenboy01 20:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that'd be entirely valid, if you can find specific pictures that include the chip in the system, and a shot that includes that part number. Bladestorm 20:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=677908&rl=1 has a good hi-res picture of the Wii motherboard. You can't clearly see the little memory chip's labeling (note that the "MX" chip is the 512 MB flash memory), but you can tell it's a Samsung, and there's no moSys name. Will this do? Nintenboy01 20:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I just can't make it out in that picture. See, we have two pictures now. We have a motherboard picture that's certainly authentic, but doesn't identify the chip, and another picture, from a different source, that identifies the chip, but can't be authenticated. I hate to say it, but I don't think we can use the info unless we can find a better picture. Bladestorm 21:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Won't some kind soul who reads this section take a Wii apart and snap a good picture of the RAM chip that also includes the CPU, GPU or some other tell-tale Wii component in the frame? I don't wanna take MY Wii apart, even if it's for the sake of the article... Getting my Wii was a great struggle through hordes of crazed nerds! Nintenboy01 21:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

What about this? From This article, they have this picture. Isn't that the chip sideways? Bladestorm 21:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't that article actually state "external GDDR3"? I'm lost here... Just64helpin 22:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Holy snappin' crap, you're right! I was focusing so much on verifying the picture that I never even noticed that they outright state that it's GDDR3! Well, um, okay... guess we settled this one. The external memory is GDDR3. Who wants to update the article? Bladestorm 22:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hear, hear Mr. Bladestorm! Funny thing too, if you look at any of the 4 GDDR3 chips mounted around the PS3's RSX, the part numbers are the same as the Wii's single chip. As we all know the PS3 has 256 MB of GDDR3 video memory running at 700 mhz, so each chip must have 64 MB like the one in Wii. This myth is definitely busted! Nintenboy01 22:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I hate to prolong this discussion, I really do. But the 24MB external memory is not "integrated into graphics die," it's on a separate die (chip) in the same package as the graphics processor. Rees11 19:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think keeping this on the talk page should be important, while more "autoritative" sources are found. It's a pretty interesting thing and should be enough. As for the two guidelines, I constantly see them being ignored on many technical articles so I don't see why to be so picky there. Please keep this on the talk page for now, it seems reasonable to me.
MaxDZ8 talk 10:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, wasn't this already resolved? Just64helpin 20:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)