Talk:We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Though I had recently failed numerous music articles which included album nominees, that was because they were too far from meeting the criteria. I have made sure to select an article that can be reviewed without a likely fail, so I am taking this on since it looks fine after having a glance but I will have comments soon. --K. Peake 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Cover art needs alt text
• Target The Hall of Justice to Chris Walla
• Remove target on Washington
• Remove wikilink on Chris Walla under producers per WP:OVERLINK
• Remove wikilink on studio album
• Target rock to Rock music
• "band Death Cab for Cutie, released on March 21, 2000 through" → "band Death Cab for Cutie. It was released on March 21, 2000, through"
• "The band—composed of" → "The band, which originally composed of"
• "and drummer Nathan Good—formed" → "and drummer Nathan Good, formed"
• Should it be Bellingham, Washington or Bellingham with the target to the aforementioned?
• "The quartet issued their debut album," → "Their debut studio album,"
• "in 1998 through Seattle-based independent label Barsuk," → "was released in 1998 by Barsuk," since this is too much for the lead
• "exited the band." → "exited Death Cab for Cutie."
• "Between albums," → "Between the two albums,"
• "released music through" → "released music via"
• "We Have the Facts was developed over a period of five months between the three, and" → "Over a period of five months between the four, We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was developed, and"
• "Its recording came at a" → "The recording came at a"
• "these post-collegiate anxieties" → "the post-collegiate anxieties"
• "narratives with abstract imagery" → "narratives and abstract imagery" with the appropriate wikilink
• "We Have the Facts is sonically" → "The album is sonically"
• Target downbeat to Downbeat and upbeat per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "with its despondent sound and spindly guitar work heavily influenced" → "featuring a despondent sound and spindly guitar work that was heavily influenced"
• "the slowcore genre." → "slowcore."
• "Upon its March 2000 release on Barsuk, We Have the Facts received" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes received"
• Target music critics to Music journalism
• Add a bit about what was praised
• Are you sure you can't add a sentence after this about the legacy of the album since there was rankings?
• "The band supported the LP with its" → "Death Cab for Cutie supported the album with their"
• Target singles to Single (music)
• "were released from the album, though the LP" → "were released, though it"
• "several months after its release." → "later in 2000."

Background

• Retitle to Background and development
• Img needs alt text
• Change the main text to still mentioning him by name as the frontman, but reword to having relevance to what is written around him in this section
• The entire first para has no citation(s); one or more needs to be added, depending on how many are used for this info
• Wikilink Ben Gibbard
• "during his time attending" → "while he attended"
• Wikilink Bellingham, Washington
• "under the name Death Cab for Cutie, named" → "under the analysis of Death Cab for Cutie, named" unless that is the name of the demo tape then → "under the title of Death Cab for Cutie, named" is the appropriate version
• Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band → Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band
• "It was produced by" → "The demo tape was produced by"
• "multi-instrumentalist Christopher Walla," → "guitarist/producer Chris Walla" with the wikilink
• "had met a concert." → "had met at a concert."
• "local attention, prompting" → "local attention and prompted"
• "to assemble a lineup." → "to assemble a band lineup."
• Wikilink Nick Harmer
• "joined as bassist," → "joined as the bassist,"
• Wikilink Nathan Good
• "the quartet were signed to Seattle label Barsuk Records," → "Death Cab for Cuite had signed to Seattle record label Barsuk Records," with the wikilinks
• "released their debut album, Something About Airplanes (1998)." → "their debut studio album Something About Airplanes (1998) was released through."
• "in Bellingham, while Harmer" if this is meaning at the same time then it should not have a comma; otherwise, keep the one
• "Both moved back in" → "The two of them moved back in"
• "while Gibbard rented an apartment" → "though Gibbard rented an apartment"
• "different: he was getting married, and had" → "different, with him getting married, and he had"
• "In addition, he lacked" → "In addition to this, Good lacked"
• "that Gibbard, Walla, and Harmer shared." → "that Gibbard, Walla, and Harmer had."
• "Good departed the band" → "Good departed Death Cab for Cutie"
• "between April–September 1999." → "from April to September of that year."
• Citation(s) are missing at the end of the para and maybe for other sentences too
• "the group would make only" → "the band only made"
• "mainly went to" → "mainly went towards"
• Target Econoline to Ford E-Series and are you sure it shouldn't be called Ford Econoline?
• "in the band's history as "interstitial"," → "in the history of Death Cab for Cutie as "interstitial,""
• [2] should solely be at the end of the para after [1]
• "lacking assurance of what was" → "with them lacking assurance of what was"

Recording and production

• The opening para should mention how this was in 1999
• "We Have the Facts, like" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, like"
• "environment than professional" → "environment rather than professional"
• Remove wikilink on studio
• "Much of the LP was tracked at Harmer's mother's house" → "Much of the former was tracked at the house of Harmer's mother"
• "working to obtain her" → "working towards obtaining her"
• Target doctoral degree to Doctorate
• "The three lived there for" → "Death Cab for Cutie lived there for"
• "Recording of the album later moved" → "Recording for We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was later relocated"
• "parents' home" → "parents' house"
• "and label-mates Sunset Valley." → "and label-mates, Sunset Valley."
• "The group worked intently" → "They worked intently"
• "there was little else" → "there was not much else"
• Img needs alt text
• "Like past efforts," → "Like past releases by Death Cab for Cutie,"
• "served as producer." → "served as producer on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes."
• "photography: simply document" → "photography; this is simply documenting"
• "Walla found this perspective" → "Walla found the perspective"
• "as doing what" → "as to do what"
• "the songwriting than distract." → "the songwriting rather than distract."
• "Recording drums proved" → "The recording of drums proved"
• "into recording, and with Gibbard" → "into recording and with Gibbard"
• "of the instrument, no one" → "with the instrument, none of the band members"
• "for the bulk of the LP," → "for the bulk of the album,"
• "practicing to sufficiently improve" → "practicing for sufficiently improving"
• "On the album, he" → "On We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, Gibbard"
• "to ensure his timing." → "for ensuring his timing."
• "Former drummer Good contributed percussion to two tracks," → "Good contributed percussion to the tracks"
• "The group decided to record these" → "Death Cab for Cutie decided to record the"
• "was set to begin." → "was set to begin for the album."
• Is there any known reason why for this?
• Target mixed to Audio mixing (recorded music)
• "The album was finalized" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was finalized"
• Can you add when this happened?
• "a Super Friends reference." → "a reference to the animated television series Super Friends." with the target
• "Later in 2000, the band's label, Barsuk, would purchase" → "Later in 2000, Barsuk purchased"
• "he renamed it" → "he subsequently renamed it"
• "After the LP was completed," → "After We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was completed,"
• Target Tony Lash to Heatmiser
• "mastered the LP." → "mastered the album."
• Again, citation(s) are missing at the very end of the para; [5] should be solely at the end and any others if they are missing

Composition

• This should be split into two full sections, as I will explain below

Music

• This is two paragraphs so can be its own section instead of a sub one, and title this Music and composition
• "We Have the Facts is stylistically" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes is stylistically"
• "led many to categorize We Have the Facts" → "led to many writers categorizing the album"
• "the album has been" → "it has been"
• "an "emo classic"." → "an "emo classic.""
• "on We Have the Facts are" → "on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes are"
• "on later efforts; Gibbard later highlighted" → "those of later projects, with Gibbard later highlighting"
• "guitar-work" in a ranking of the band's albums." → "guitar-work."" since that context is not relevant
• "In his early twenties," → "During his early 20s,"
• Target downbeat to Downbeat and upbeat
• "and incentivized intricate guitar lines on We Have the Facts" → "and incentivizing intricate guitar lines for the album"
• "He also conceded his" → "Gibbard also conceded that his"
• "in early Death Cab work," → "in early work by Death Cab for Cutie,"
• [2] should be solely at the end of the sentence before [8]
• "also suggested the LP aurally" → "also suggested We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes is aurally"
• "the album on an" → "the album with an"
• "a 16-channel board with" → "which is a 16-channel board that has"
• "also had built-in presets," → "also has built-in presets,"
• "the group ended up" → "the band ended up"
• "Otherwise, the album is mostly" → "Elsewise, We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes mostly has an"
• "produced via a" → "that were produced via a"
• Target delay pedal to Delay (audio effect)
• Target Yamaha to Yamaha Corporation
• "and lined up" → "and ultimately lined up"

Lyrics

• Four paras is easily enough for a full section and title this to Themes and lyrics
• "Gibbard's songwriting" → "Gibbard's songwriting on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes"
• "approach, frequently utilizing" → "approach and frequently utilizing"
• "Much of this songwriting" → "Much of the songwriting"
• "he acknowledged his privilege" → "Gibbard acknowledged his privilege"
• "in America":" → "in America," admitting that,"
• "interpreted We have the Facts as" → "interpreted the album as"
• "chronicling a decaying" → "that chronicles a decaying"
• "noting that the album" → "noting that We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes"
• "Gibbard cited musicians Elliott Smith and Blake Schwarzenbach of Jawbreaker" → "He cited Blake Schwarzenbach of Jawbreaker and fellow musician Elliott Smith"
• Target lo-fi to Lo-fi music
• "and likened this effect" → "and likened the effect"
• "to a higher-qualiy" → "to a higher-quality"
• "the first portion was" → "both parts of the first portion were"
• "in mastering; Tony Lash narrowed the" → "during mastering; Lash narrowed the"
• Remove wikilink on stereo
• "the album no different than" → "the album was no different to"
• "letting its lower-quality" → "letting the lower-quality"
• "upon his move to Seattle," → "upon his moving to Seattle,"
• "development of 1998's Something About Airplanes." → "development of Something About Airplanes."
• "It touches on" → "The track touches on"
• "with its localized title a" → "with its localized title being a"
• "stems from the several" → "stemmed from the several"
• Target Interstate Highway to Interstate Highway System
• "on the west coast, but" → "on the West Coast of the United States, though"
• Remove wikilink on cigarette
• Are you sure "hide" shouldn't have a capitalized start?
• "originates from the fact" → "originated from the fact"
• "the two hid the cigarette butts underneath the patio" → "the two of them hid cigarette butts underneath their patio"
• "recorder, and gave" → "recorder and ultimately gave"
• "in an odd tuning," → "in an odd tuning;"
• "he had viewed" → "Gibbard had viewed"
• "on earlier efforts" → "on earlier works"
• "which was a big" → "who were a big"
• "a proper marriage" → "to be a proper marriage"
• "with its predecessor," → "with the predecessor,"
• "on the Forbidden Love EP a few months later." → "on The Forbidden Love EP later in 2020."
• "demo of just Gibbard and his guitar." → "demo, which featured solely Gibbard and his guitar."
• "cost only four dollars." → "cost only $4."
• "stems from the home the group" → "stemmed from the home Death Cab for Cutie"
• "that had no heating" → "which had no heating"

Release and commercial performance

• "The album's title stems" → "The title We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes came"
• "that formed the band" → "who formed the band"
• "he wore a" → "Burgle wore a"
• Remove wikilink on Nebraska
• The first two sentences of the second para should be in the first para instead
• "issued We Have the Facts in March 2000 on compact disc and vinyl." → "issued the album on March 21, 2000, releasing it on CD and vinyl." with the targets
• "were issued:" → "were issued;"
• "Expectations were higher for We Have the Facts for the band." → "Sales expectations were higher for We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes for Death Cab for Cutie." and this will be the start of the second para instead
• "Though they band were" → "Despite the band being"
• "to later efforts." → "to their later projects."
• "We Have the Facts was supported at" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was supported by"
• Target college radio to Campus radio
• "premiered eleven positions" → "premiered 11 places" per MOS:NUM
• "it had sold" → "the album had sold"
• "These numbers were considered" → "The numbers were considered"
• "for Barsuk, which" → "for the record label, which"

Critical reception

• Ratings box looks good
• "We Have the Facts debuted to a positive critical reception." → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was met with positive reviews from music critics."
• "it received" → "the album received"
• [10] should be solely at the end of the sentence after [6]
• "viewed it the band's" → "viewed the album as the band's"
• "yet, a" → "yet, calling it a"
• "effort marking Gibbard's" → "effort which marks Gibbard's"
• Pitchfork should be italicised
• "likened it to the work" → "likened We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes to the work"
• ""delicate beauty"." → ""delicate beauty.""
• PopMatters should be italicised
• "praised it as" → "praised the album for being"
• "A Rolling Stone editor" → "An editor of The Rolling Stone Album Guide" with the wikilink
• All of the reviews need to have the citations at the end of their sentences; use refnames to do this for them obviously since the citations are included in the ratings box
• "called it a marvelous" → "called the album a marvelous"
• Target pop to Pop music
• "called it an" → "branded the album an"
• "Jon Pareles included it in a New York Times listing" → "Pareles included it in a listing for The New York Times

Legacy

• "For its twentieth anniversary," → "For its 20th anniversary,"
• "retroactive pieces celebrating the album," → "retrospective pieces celebrating ''We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes."
• Remove the "including..." part since that is the type of thing written in a lead overview
• "The band has generally looked back at We Have the Facts" → "Death Cab for Cutie has generally looked back at the album"
• "as evidenced by this 2011 quote:" → "doing so in 2011:"
• "That second record," → ""That second record,"
• "of all time by" → "of all time by editors of"
• Remove target on Pitchfork
• "the Pacific Northwest."" → "the Pacific Northwest"." since that is a title, not a quote
• Where are the Spin and Stereogum celebrations of the album?

Track listing

• A sentence should be directly before the current that reads: "Credits adapted from..." when you add a citation that they are adapted from, since they are currently unsourced
• Per MOS:TABLECAPTION, you need a headline here

Personnel

• Again, you are missing a citation for the credits
• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between personnel
• Any specific order for the members here?
• drums on "The Employment Pages" and "Company Calls Epilogue" → drums on tracks 2 and 8
• Target samples to Sampling (music)
• Target Tony Lash to Heatmiser
• Target mastering to Mastering (audio)

Charts

• Are you sure you can't add this table using the Top 200 position from CMJ New Music Report?

References

• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Copyvio score looks a bit high at 41.9%; trim the quoting from ref 1 slightly to fix this
• Target Spin to Spin (magazine) on ref 1
• Cite YouTube as publisher instead for ref 2 and wikilink
• Target Hal Leonard Corporation to Hal Leonard LLC on ref 3
• Wikilink Sound on Sound on ref 4, while authorlink Paul Tingen
• Cite In Music We Trust as publisher instead for ref 5 and wikilink, plus fix MOS:CAPS
• Remove Noisey from ref 7 and solely cite Vice under work/website, while target to Vice (magazine)
• Authorlink Neil Strauss on ref 8
• Wikilink Stereogum on ref 9
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 11
• Target Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 12
• Remove CMJ Network, Inc from ref 13 and cite CMJ New Music Report solely as publisher instead
• Do this ref 14 too but remove the target this time
• Thevine.com.au → thevine.com.au on ref 23
• Remove target on Pitchfork for ref 25

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold after I reviewed it shortly following on from the opening, though the main issue I observed was that you abbreviated the album's title consistently. --K. Peake 19:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

• I will have to ✗ Fail this due to the nominator's lack of activity, though I am becoming tired of so many articles being unable to pass. To be fair, maybe I should have checked the user's edit history before undertaking this review. --K. Peake 07:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)