Talk:Wait a Minute (The Pussycat Dolls song)/GA3

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Nominator: MrHyacinth (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 12:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• I see that you have twice failed to respond to prior reviews. I hope you have time to addresss the issues of this one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, thank you for reviewing the article! MrHyacinth (talk) 01:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• It looks like the first few and last few issues from GA1 no longer remain. I'll assume that you have addressed them all.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• I might have disagreed with the GA2 reviewer right at the point where you abandoned that review.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Please make sure that every fact in the WP:LEAD is a summary of what is in the main body. I.e., the main body should have at least as much detail as the LEAD.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Can you please elaborate on this one? Which part of the main body is not elaborated in the lead? MrHyacinth (talk) 01:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Make sure the highlight of each of the 5 main body paragraphs is in the LEAD. That seems to be the case, but I may be wrong about what is really the highlight of each paragraph.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  So, you are saying that I have highlighted the main body in to the LEAD? Apologies, but it sounds condracting to the above comment! MrHyacinth (talk) 01:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  What I mean to say is highlight/summarize the main body in the lead. Either way, nothing should be in the LEAD that does not have at least as much (and generally more) info in the main body. Read through WP:LEAD if you have questions.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• I disagree with some of both of your prior reviewers in some ways and might have been really frustrated with those reviews. Randomly looking at popular songs from popular albums it seems common to say that a single was released as the nth single from their nth studio album, XALBUMNAME, (or one or the other of those two referents) on Month Day, Year. I don't know what the prior fuss was about. I find it odd to say it was the 5th or 6th single without mentioning the album in the same sentence.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  OK - I added the album name in the same sentence. MrHyacinth (talk) 01:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• I don't understand the source of the vocal range. It seems to be source 10 not 12.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed that. Included the correct source. MrHyacinth (talk) 01:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• I am not a big sheet music reader. Does it say ⁴
  ₄ time somewhere?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, please look in the music sheet. Please refer to Time signature MrHyacinth (talk) 01:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Do we know where the video was filmed? What subway was used?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  • At 1:09 it looks like L (New York City Subway service).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
    • If there is no WP:RS for the L train, I would do a screen grab and claim fair use with a caption linked to the L train. We tend to be lax on WP:ICs in captions. That 1:09 spot seems like it would be inarguable, IMO. Not sure if this is Kosher. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Is the sign at 2:06 for Roslyn station (LIRR)?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I think there are 2 Ss in the sign now that I see it clearer later around 3:16. Maybe Rosslyn station, but maybe not because that would mean filmed NYC and DC.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  No, we don't. I could not find a source for that. MrHyacinth (talk) 01:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  So there are no sources for video location? Does anything at least say New York City Subway? I can understand the Rosslyn sign not being anywhere, but the subway should be mentioned, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  There was a comment left by reader in the article that the station is acutally the North Hollywood station MrHyacinth (talk) 01:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  I did not think the station was a NYC station. However, the train looked like an NYC train. So it seems they shot the station in LA and the train in NYC? Do you agree it sees to be the NYC L train?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  It did look like an NYC train, yes. MrHyacinth (talk) 02:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Do we know the venue for the 2005 Jingle Ball?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Added the venue on the aritcle. MrHyacinth (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• What is the model of Samsung cellphone that they were promoting in that video?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  It's this model: link However, it does not stated explicilty it's used in this music video. MrHyacinth (talk) 01:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Depending on how extensively the video is written up, there should be commentary on the dancing on the car, which is a major part of the video. The logo at 2:22 and 3:15 tells you a bit about the era of the car per [1]. That sounds like OR, but maybe there are sources. It is clearly a Caddy. If you can't find anything. Just note unsourceable clear facts on the talk page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  There aren't any sources, that a Cadilac is in the video. I have maxed out the internet trying to find some. Also, please note the Pussycat Dolls often have dancing in their music videos. It's nothing alien to their history. MrHyacinth (talk) 01:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  A high percentage of music videos have dancing. A low percentage of music videos have dancing on a Cadilac.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• The song references Cadilac at 3:23.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I might screengrab 3:15, if there are sources about dancing on the car and link Cadilac in the caption.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• I don't do a lot of song reviews. Is it common to leave the release history section uncited?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  The release history have sources?! MrHyacinth (talk) 01:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• I don't think I can pass this at WP:WIAGA#3a without some mention of dancing on the car, since that is over a third of the video. Since she mentions Cadilac in the lyrics and the logo is clearly visible, it is important to drop that brand in the article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• It is an award nominated video. You should feel free to expand a bit on the video, if you can source it.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• The article is about the song of which the video is a related subject. It is of course not the focus of the article. However, we have 4 or 5 particular identifiable elements of the video that we seem to have no sources for: 1. cellphone model prominently presented several times; 2. subway line seems to indisputably be an L train (very likely NYC); 3 subway station seems to be N Hollywood; 4 Cadilac; 5 neighborhood/intersection of the video. If I were to write a section about the video, I would want to be able to have WP:RS for these specific items. The article is about the song, so we have to deal with what we can truly source. We can't from out of nowhere show the station and train without any citations. However, if we have citations saying they performed in a subway and have enough content in the article to justify fair use for subway related images, maybe we can get slick. No mention of a car or cadilac in any source makes it tough. However, if the sources say anything encyclopedic about the dancing in the streets, this does happen on a car, which happens to be a cadilac that is mentioned in the lyrics. Maybe we have nothing we can do anything with. Maybe no screengrabs and no mention of any of these 5. It really all depends on what sourced content you include in the article that may need pictoral presentation.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  Since, I couldn't elaborate on the music video, I never included a "music video" section. It's under the "Promotion" section. A music video is a typical tool for labels to promote their artist's song. The previous two reviewers, didn't focus what wasn't included in this article. Hence, I am quite confused why it's heavily discussed here. MrHyacinth (talk) 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• I am just trying to make sure we are covering the full breadth of the topic.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• How can "I Don't Need a Man" be the fifth song and this also claim to be the 5th song. According to The Pussycat Dolls discography it looks like the 6th song.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  "I Don't Need a Man" was was promoted primarly in Europe. The lable ommited a radio release to US radios in the US, "Wait a Minute" was released to radio as the 5th single. MrHyacinth (talk) 23:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

  To clarify this, say in territories outside the US, where I Don't Need a Man was promoted, this song was promoted....-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Are these sources [2] [3] anything you haven't seen. They mention the subway car.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  I didn't mention it. MrHyacinth (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

  @MrHyacinth, @TonyTheTiger, reminder ping. No rush, I'm just checking up on outstanding backlog drive entries. -- asilvering (talk) 21:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  Still waiting on a response to my 17:41, 8 April 2024 post.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)