Talk:WWE Night of Champions

2008 is Night of Champions again

http://wrestlesomnia.com/showpost.php?p=128857&postcount=1 See? Hhh210 (talk) 14:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Well according to the link you provided, that site gets it's information from wrestlezone.com, which is not a reliable source. if they get their info from a site that's not a reliable source, then they're not a reliable source. Now, I'm not saying that 2008 won't be a night of champions gain, but we are waiting for confirmation from WWE before it is being posted in the article. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

A messageboard is not a reliable source. Even if where they say they got it from (Wrestlezone) says that, that is still just speculation. Nothing about Vengeance 2008 has been announced other than the date and location (This previous comment was made while Nici was typing, but I felt like posting it anyways). TJ Spyke 19:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

It's speculation why? Mshake3 (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well guys I think this is as reliable a source as anything http://www.wwe.com/schedules/events/eventdetail/?id=6623948

So uh yeah.Linknumbers (talk) 22:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting, it's just called Night Of Champions, without the Vengeance title. Mshake3 (talk) 21:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Which should make us wonder if the Vengeance line should end and a Night of Champions line begin... -- JT^Holla! 21:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Just want to make a tiny note, the WWE link that was posted also shows in the bottom right of the page (the upcomming pay-per-views) listed on 06.29 (6/29/2008) is Vengeance. Yet the page calls it Night of Champions as well. Since WWE has given two names for the event, I would have to say that until 100% confirmed, the event be noted as Vengeance (2008) (as Vengeance has been a yearly event for the last seven years) - Kogoro_9_23 05:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. The same source is giving two different names. If you say one part of the site is reliable, then the other part has to be as well. Mshake3 (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I first moved it to Night of Champions, but Mshake reverted it. The schedule in the right bottom is never updated until after SummerSlam, so basically that has nothing to do with the name, but the event details from WWE states it as Night of Champions, which is obviously the same legacy as Vengeance, like Taboo Tuesday and Cyber Sunday. There is always a dispute about a name change that has not occureed, and then it ends us true, sigh. But lets continue disputing.3L VaK3r0 14:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say that it's obvious that WWE just hasn't updated the .jpg that the schedule is. I think the link given is more official. -- JT^Holla! 14:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Like the guy said above, the schedule on the bottom of the screen is an image, that is never updated until after those events have taken place.3L VaK3r0 14:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

And you know that how? Mshake3 (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Because I monitor the schedule.--3L VaK3r0 19:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, what a giant waste of time. The 2008 PPV schedule has already been announced, so there's no point in consistant monitoring of that graphic. Also, if there is indeed an official name change, there's no chance that they leave the graphic as is. And you can't say they'll never change it, because there hasn't been a name to change yet! Mshake3 (talk) 20:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I say we wait before changing the PPV name. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

With the change on the main WWE page, the source is now consistant. Mshake3 (talk) 02:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

In that case, let's go with that. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Separate articles?

I think this may have been discussed but I am requesting that the "Vengeance" page be a separate page to the Night of Champions page. Okay so Vengeance 2007 was Night of Champions, but this years NOC isn't Vengeance, they're separate PPVs. NOC was just a sub-name or tag line for 2007.

NOC has a concept that vengeance did not (all titles on the line), except in 2007, which I have talked about above. If my request for separate articles is approved, I suggest putting Vengeance 07 in both pages seeing as a lot will argue that 07 was both Vengeance and Night of Champions. In 2001, Invasion took Fully Loaded's place, but they are still separate articles. I think you see what I am getting at. I realise that the request will probably be overseen and I guess the only way to decide this is to wait until wwe.com makes the Night of Champions page and see what they put in their "history" section.

But the concept of defending all championships started at Vengeance: Night of Champions, and continues the legacy of Vengeance. Similar to Taboo Tuesday following the concept of WWE Cyber Sunday, which is why both of those are in the same article.--~SRS~ 14:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not about legacy. In the official wwe homepage in the section TV shows they appear as separate ppv, and if the WWE site says it, it has to be true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.138.65 (talk) 09:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Night Of Champions Origin?

Should info about the name origin be included.It was originally used by the wCw on their last episode of Nitro when the WWF bought it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.144.165 (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Not the same night of champions, anyone can have all their belts on the line in one night, TNA just did that at Destination X (2009).--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 17:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but if you think about it, as much as the original Night Of Champions wasn't something planned by the WWE itself, the final Monday Night Nitro's Night of Champions is still the origin of the name of the PPV. The WCW is no more, but the WWE still runs the Great American Bash. They're not the same, but since the name is the same and the concept is the same and it was something used by a company that has been bought by the WWE, perhaps it's worth mentioning. It's the same with December to Dismember (2006)'s article. 201.68.226.21 (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

They have nothing to do with each other. And the Night of Champions concept had been used even before WCW's final Nitro. TJ Spyke 16:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it is worth mentioning.Its match results don't have to be in the same article but it is worth mentioning.Khooks314 12:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

On the last episode of SmackDown of 2004, they held a Night of Champions. Here are detailed results, they should be included too, or at least mentioned in the history. I'd add them, but I don't know how to properly. http://www.pwwew.net/tv/smackdown/041230.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.252.126 (talk) 05:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

The special episode of SmackDown in 2004 holds no relation to the Night of Champions pay-per-view event, which in 2004 was known as Vengeance. That information will not be added to this article for that reason. The night of champions episode of SmackDown was a special similar to the Raw specials held every so often. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 05:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in WWE Night of Champions

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of WWE Night of Champions's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "WorldChampionship":

• From SummerSlam (2009): Murphy, Ryan (2009-08-23). "Results:CM Punk comes out on top". World Wrestling Entertainment. Retrieved 2009-08-23.
• From Night of Champions (2009): Murphy, Ryan (2009-07-26). "Results:A lifelong dream comes true". World Wrestling Entertainment. Retrieved 2009-07-26.
• From WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: Passero, Mitch (2009-12-13). "Results: Deadman lays Batista to rest". World Wrestling Entertainment. Retrieved 2009-12-14.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

2 different articles?

Now that WWE brought back Vengeance and still has Night of Champions, maybe two different articles should be made for these 2 different ppv's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.117.127 (talk) 07:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the September PPV -- originally scheduled to be the 2011 Night of Champions -- has been removed from their upcoming PPV listings. See http://www.wwelivetour.com/eventlistings?country=All&state=&unix_event_start=&term_node_tid_depth=5 Thus it seems Night of Champions has been renamed back to Vengeance. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 08:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess I'll be the one to bring this up, should we consider moving this article back to Vengeance?--Voices in my Head WWE 15:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Its already going to be moved... WWE Vengeance is about to be deleted to make way for the move.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 17:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

WWE now lists Night of Champions and Vengeance for their calendar, however any attempt to edit the two events gets quickly re-edited as if they dont believe the two events are now seperate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dachad01 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

No WP:OR. We can't change anything until WWE clarifies the situation. Then we'll decide the right course of action as a community...^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 00:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me but i'm the guy who started this, WWE has already announced that in September they will hold the Night Of Champions event and in October Vengeance. I agree there should be 2 different articles one listed as Vengeance that list the Vengeance events from 2001-2007 and now 2011 and a Night Of Champions one that list from 2008-present. Any more information you need is here in the "WWE Live Tour" Website http://www.wwelivetour.com/eventlistings?page=4 and just so we're clear here's the Night Of Champions Site: http://www.wwelivetour.com/events/wwe-presents-night-champions and the Vengeance one: http://www.wwelivetour.com/events/wwe-presents-vengeance Kerbymanuel (talk) 08:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I support a split, with WWE Vengeance containing events from 2001 to 2007 and 2011, and Night of Champions containing the events from 2007 to 2011. Armbrust ^{Talk to me} _Contribs 14:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

According to the Night of Champions chronology [1] Night of Champions is considered the same event as Vengeance. Since WWE scheduled both a Night of Champions event and a Vengeance event on the same calendar year we cant just assume where the chronology splits if at all until its noted on WWE.com. If anything, the Night of Champions 2011 event would be split from the original and present Vengeance chronology as a spin-off PPV since we do not retcon what was established as the original chronology. As for Kerbymanuel's page move, I suggest you request a page move through the appropriate channels instead of conducting one yourself next time you wish to move a page. Your last go-around almost caused the original edit history of the article to be lost within multiple redirects. Also note that redirecting a page is not an acceptable alternative to actually moving a page to a diffrent namespace. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 05:55, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me I was just trying to help. I don't think we need any more proof that the article should be split in two. Yes Night Of Champions was considered a part of Vengeance (When Vengeance was "replaced") but I think is clear that as off 2011 they are separate PPV. Keeping the articles together is like saying that WWE booked the same PPV twice in a year which we know is not like that. Again I'm sorry for the trouble I cause with the article Kerbymanuel (talk) 21:57, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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2 seperate articles are needed

http://www.wwe.com/shows/nightofchampions has its own page and seperate history from http://www.wwe.com/shows/vengeance. There is no evidence at all and no sources to support the fact that they are indeed the same event. They are also both scheduled to take place in different months so how can they possibly be the same event anyway? Socks ⁰¹ 21:51, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

See WT:PW! http://www.wwe.com/shows/nightofchampions/history/ "Before it was called Night of Champions, the summer pay-per-view was dubbed Vengeance. Take a look back at the many memorable moments." you cant ignore that! 74.100.197.8 (talk) 01:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Article name

Why not call it something like Vengence/Night of Champions?, It's kindof unfair to name it after the one event, but not the other. So having both names would be fairer. Muur (talk) 18:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Or WWE Vengeance - Night of Champions ? ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 18:13, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

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Article split

Something I noticed recently WWE lists them as seperate events. In the NoC archives its listed from 2007-2015, link - http://www.wwe.com/shows/nightofchampions/archive. It seems they consider them seperate and the 2007 event is considered a dual event. Ron234 (talk) 20:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)