Talk:Volk

Surely an article like this about a word ought to give the gnrder and he plural form? 13:28, 10 February 2017 (UTC)13:28, 10 February 2017 (UTC)~~== Gefolge ==t

Compare Old Norse "folk" meaning "people" but more so "army" or "detachment", German "Gefolge" (host), and Lithuanian "pulkas" meaning "crowd".

That is wrong - in German "Gefolge" is "follower, supporter" which has a very different root (from "to follow" mutated past tense as person "s.o. followed" = "those who followed") than referring to an uncountable number (better compare with English "full" and German "voll") which is the implied meaning. The multitude interpretation is very alive in contemporary German ("ein Volk Hühner" = "a flock of chicken"). Guidod 13:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

according to the Grimm from slavic roots, German Pulk http://woerterbuchnetz.de/cgi-bin/WBNetz/wbgui_py?sigle=DWB&mode=Vernetzung&lemid=GV09940#XGV09986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.14.33 (talk) 23:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

scope

this article consists of two sections, (a) etymology and (b) German Volk. It shouldn't reside at folk so much as at Volk. Folk will most commonly be looked for in the sense of folk music, not Germanic philology, and I argue that folk should just redirect to folk (disambiguation). --dab (𒁳) 17:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

also, the suggestion that fulka means "our people" or anything similarly romantic is nonsense. The original sense is "crowd" or "multitude". Later it meant the (swarming, crowded) common population. Only in the 19th century with its infatuation with the "commoner" being the salt of the nation did it acquire any higher sense. --dab (𒁳) 18:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The Grimm also hints at the older meanings such as war crowd http://woerterbuchnetz.de/cgi-bin/WBNetz/wbgui_py?sigle=DWB&mode=Vernetzung&lemid=GV09940#XGV09986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.14.33 (talk) 22:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Quality needs improvements

I can't see why "völkisch movements" are even relevant here. When we talk about labour we also do not have to refer to labour in marxism. Please use quality sources like the Grimm. 88.73.10.160 (talk) 12:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Race

The equation or translation of Volk with "people or race" is nonsense. We find this mistranslation three times in the article. Furthermore the view is promoted that Race was an aggregation of peoples, Völker. This fringe view is not substantiated by the quoted sources. In an aristocracy the term Volk refers to the commoners as opposed to the noble elite. --88.73.14.33 (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

"after 1945" - naive use of term "refugees"

This Wikipedia article uncritically reflects, accepts and naively uses, specific language as coined, and specific framing as invented, by Merkel administration in 2015. This language and framing had been implemented to manipulate public discussion on migration crisis. Even "Refugees" is a framing of Merkel administration, the correct term is migrants, as only a small minority of so-called "refugees" would actually fall under legal critria of article 16a of German constitution. The use of the term "refugees" for migrants was meant to create a psychological connection between migration crisis and refugee trecks caused Red Army massacres much earlier this century. As Merkel's father was a communist and Red Army supporter, Merkels's behavior has been extremely cynical. 188.99.31.216 (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

paragraph "Nazi era"

There is a wrong translation in paragraph "Nazi era". It says "the compound word Herrenvolk" could be translated as "Master Race". This is wrong. "Master Race" would rather translate to "Herrenrasse" - however, this is not completely correct either, as it drops the allusion to nobility and all related duties. A precise translation of "Master Race" to "Meisterrasse" creates a term that never had been in use... Anyway, "Master Race" seems to be a creation of professorship, in this case holders of chairs of racial science, based on Darwinism, which originally had been estabilish in a remarkable number at British universities. "Scientific Darwinism" as admired by many Nazi leaders, as well as use of Darwinism for efforts to sanctify British colonialism including related British style "racial science", had inspired a lot of Nazi ideology. 188.99.31.216 (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)