Talk:Vitaliy Khomutynnik

Changes to lead

Dlimali has made several changes to the lead that have been reverted. Please find consensus here before making further changes to the lead. Nemov (talk) 15:05, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Lead change

The leaad doesn't adhere to BLP guides. He is not an oligarch (in Ukraine there are Pinchuk, Akhmetov, Kolomoyskyi and maybe Poroshenko - who are regarded as oligarchs and have billions of money and influence). also, there is a law in Ukraine about oligarchs which ruined the oligarch grip over the country and Akhmetov now is not an oligarch as he closed his media business. Here I shortly explained. TemPot Pee (talk) 10:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

There are several independent sources that describe him as an oligarch. — Czello 10:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

no, those sources are not general and doesn't correspond to the public opinion. maybe on some level he was close to be named as oligarch but with no media and billions of $ he is not such at least anymore. TemPot Pee (talk) 10:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Whether they correspond to public opinion doesn't matter - they're determined to be reliable (although you could always raise this at WP:RSN if you think they're not) so we go by what they say. — Czello 10:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

it's not the main characteristic (even if you believe he is oligarch) for the subject of the article. You rely on primary sources which are not so good on Wikipedia. TemPot Pee (talk) 10:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

They don't at all appear to be primary sources (if you're referring to the "oligarch" citation, that is) — Czello 10:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I put oligarch in the wealth section as it is particular opinion of academics TemPot Pee (talk) 10:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring while this discussion is ongoing. The lead should reflect the body of the article, and oligarch is already mentioned there.

Can you be clearer about the inconsistency around his membership of the political party? I can't see where exactly it says he's in Vidrodzheniya. Is this the Renaissance Party? — Czello 10:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Czello first, about oligarch. I checked the sources. One in VOX - doesn't name him oligarhch at ll. another one just says: Boiko et al have been joined by oligarchs in parliament’s ‘Renaissance’ and ‘Will of the People’ factions, such as Vitaliy Khomutynnik, who is close to Ihor Kolomoisky. The first source says: Table 1: Ukrainian oligarchic groups in 2002–2016 (not in 2023). TemPot Pee (talk) 10:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Czello so, I mean those sources are not deep enough that is why I put them in Wealth and added: journalsit and academics describe him as oligarch. But it is not the same as "He was in party DDD in 2000 year". the facts are facts, and opinions are opinions. TemPot Pee (talk) 10:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Czello I checked the Vidrodzhenyya party and found that he is not its head. Victor Bondar (I don't know that guy either) is the party leader. https://vidrodzhennya.org.ua/ and his photo is everywhere on the website TemPot Pee (talk) 10:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Vidrodzhennya means Renaissance in English, yes, Revival (Ukraine) here is another name and its English Wikipedia which states that Victor Bondar is its head. by the way, I found his wikipedia page: Viktor Bondar TemPot Pee (talk) 10:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

The statement about him being leader seems to either 1) be obsolete or 2) only refers to the parliamentary party (per the source on the party article). Let's assume it's the former - you've deleted it entirely. Can you self-revert but add that he's former leader? — Czello 10:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I will add it not. give me a few minutes TemPot Pee (talk) 10:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Czello He was the head of the Revival Party, a political party in Ukraine, established in its current form in June 2015.

added this in Political career TemPot Pee (talk) 10:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I've self-reverted the WP:EWN post as I can see you've justified the political inconsistency and I appreciate you've compromised on the oligarch sections. Just a note, et al isn't a spelling error. — Czello 11:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

thanks! TemPot Pee (talk) 12:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Czello @TemPot Pee I reverted last edit as the anonoym did not read talk page and did violation 2A02:A46F:165C:1:1FC:F295:29BC:F14F (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

References

• What I think should be changed: Remove the sentence "He is a former head of the Renaissance Party, a pro-Russia political party." Should be rephrased to "He is a former politician, was a head of parliamentary group Renaissance".
• Why it should be changed: Vitaliy Khomutynnik has never been a head of any political party and the Renaissance Party as well.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

https://interfax.com.ua/news/political/460387.html https://hromadske.ua/posts/holova-deputatskoi-hrupy-vidrodzhennia-khomutynnik-zalyshyv-posadu https://minjust.gov.ua/m/4561

KaterynaS (talk) 09:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

• What I think should be changed: Relocate the sentence "During his tenure, Khomutynnik has been accused of evading taxes and corruption." to the "Political career" and add "In the result of the investigation of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine, no violations were found, the case was closed".
• Why it should be changed: The results of investigation should be added.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2017/12/15/7165644/

https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/ugolovnoe-proizvodstvo-deklaratsiyam-homutynnika-1509963482.html

KaterynaS (talk) 09:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

• What I think should be changed: Remove "Khomutynnik being a business partner of oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who is wanted by the US federal government".
• Why it should be changed: It is unsourced.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): https://blogs.korrespondent.net/blog/politics/4563316/

Marking as addressed since it appears someone else has implemented these changes. Spencer^T•C 18:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

References

• What I think should be changed: Delete the phrase "or gas extraction company JKX Oil & Gas" from sentence "Today, in the investment fund portfolio not only private equity companies but also shareholdings in public companies, such as biggest Ukrainian agricultural holding Kernel Holding or gas extraction company JKX Oil & Gas".
• Why it should be changed: Mentioned information is old. Cascade Investment Fund sold gas extraction company JKX Oil & Gas in 2020.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): https://inventure.com.ua/news/ukraine/vitalij-homutynnik-prodal-1997percent-neftegazovoj-kompanii-jkx-aleksandru-shniru

KaterynaS (talk) 10:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

• What I think should be changed: Change the phrase "Dmitry Firtash's" to "Vassili Tolstunov" in the sentence "In 2019, Khomutynnik acquired a stake in Dmitry Firtash's Dresdenco Investments, after an approval by Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine".
• Why it should be changed: Vassili Tolstunov is a real stakeholder at Dresdenco Investments LTD.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): https://opencorporates.com/companies/cy/HE394642

https://i-cyprus.com/company/551942

KaterynaS (talk) 10:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

• What I think should be changed: Add the time period "till 2021" in the sentence "Khomutynnik is the owner of a Cyprus-domiciled offshore company, Cacique Limited, that operated till 2021 subsidiary companies in Ukraine, including Nyva LLC, Agrosvit PAE, PE Chervonyans`ki agrarian investments, PE Koropski agrarian investments, PE Sosnyts`ki agrarni investytsii, and PE Zasullya-5".
• Why it should be changed: Mentioned companies were sold in 2021.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): https://latifundist.com/ru/novosti/55934-amku-predostavil-razreshenie-alfa-kapitalu-na-priobretenie-agrokompanij-homutynnika

https://biz.liga.net/ekonomika/nedvizhimost/novosti/homutynnik-nashel-pokupatelya-dlya-svoego-agrobiznesa

KaterynaS (talk) 10:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

References

 Partly done: I did not replace "Dmitry Firtash" with "Vassili Tolstunov" because the latter is not mentioned in the source that's already used; I've removed the name instead. Regarding the third request, I could not verify the first citation, and the second citation does not explicitly support that Khomutynnik was owner "until 2021". Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

COI tag (July 2023)

After blocking a string of editors who were identified as Sockpuppet, who made mass deletions and whitewashing of the article. Further deletions began. Bexaendos (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

It is not about deleting (where this wording comes from?) but about finalizing the article – at least about updating it. Jenes (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I haven't seen any updates, just deletion of information I stress that only negative information is subject to deletion.--Bexaendos (talk) 18:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)