Talk:Viking (cruise line)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Century Sky

An anon posted the following to the bottom of the article. I've moved it here for reference, as the article may require corrections if the post is accurate. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Please note that Century Sky is no longer in service with Viking's China programs.

You may check on VikingRiverCruises.com and find the 2009 programs all does not include Century Sky.

I am a travel agent in China —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.50.213.179 (talk • contribs) 08:11, 6 March 2009

Comment

This comment is true and the matter has been fixed. 74.62.46.90 (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Major update in the works

Viking River Cruises has now become Viking Cruises. I am working on a comprehensive update, the upshot of which will leave us with a detailed Viking Cruises article that includes both the river and ocean cruise parts of the business and a very short Viking River Cruises article that points users to Viking Cruises for more information (more of a stub than a redirect). I have created the new Viking Cruises page in my sandbox and am ready to request review for publication (I will add the proper logo afterward, since WikiMedia advises me to publish the article first). This comment is by way of explanation about what I am doing, so the reviewers will understand. Any questions or concerns, please let me know. Thanks! Julane (talk) 17:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

External link to traveller.com.au review

User:Bahnfrend added a link to a review of a specific cruise at traveler.com.au to the external links section, which I initially reverted (Bahnfrend then reverted my revert instead of discussing it here per WP:BRD). I don't feel that an external link to a review of a specific cruise on a specific ship is appropriate for an article on the company in general. Per WP:LINKSTOAVOID: "...a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject". This review would be an okay external link for an article on the Viking Var or the Middle Rhine, but is too specific to be an external link on an article as broad as this, and the review is mostly about sites on the river and barely touches on the ship or the company. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

The company's core business is operating holiday tours along the Rhine River between Basel (the company's European operating base) and Amsterdam. The article describes such a tour, and is an appropriate external link for that reason. Persons travelling on such a tour experience more than just the travel, accommodation and meals on board the ship; they also visit places along the way, often on day tours operated by the company. The article is published by one of the leading media organisations in Australia. There is no separate Wikipedia article about the ship, which is one of a large number of similar ships operated by the company. Bahnfrend (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

COI/advert tags

I've added a conflict of interest tag to this article. This signifies to readers that the article has been directly edited by someone with a conflict of interest, and is likely to have bias, in the form of missing negative content, overemphasis on "positives", non-neutral language (all of which are violations of the WP:NPOV content policy), and is likely to have unsourced or poorly sourced content, in violation of the WP:VERIFY content policy. It is likely that the content promotes the subject of the article, in violation of the WP:PROMO policy. Independent editors need to review the article and correct it, and then may remove the tag. If you do so, please leave a note here. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

NOTPROXY

The content below is basically copied from Viking Cruises website. Per WP:PROMO, Wikipedia is not a proxy for the company's website. Am moving a whole bunch of stuff here.

Ships cruising in Russia

Ship name	Year built/refurbished	Length	Crew	Guests	Staterooms	Comments	Website
Viking Akun	1990/2014	423 ft.	115	204	102	Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-akun/index.html
Viking Helgi	1984/2013	423 ft.	115	204	102	Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-helgi/index.html
Viking Ingvar	1990/2013	423 ft.	115	204	102	Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-ingvar/index.html
Viking Truvor	1987/2013	423 ft.	115	204	102	Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-truvor/index.html

Ships cruising in Asia

Ship name	Year built/refurbished	Length	Crew	Guests	Staterooms	Comments	Website
Viking Emerald	2011	361 ft.	138	246	132	Sailing on the Yangtze River, China	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-emerald/index.html
Viking Mandalay	2002/2013	180 ft.	28	60	30	Sailing on the Irrawaddy River, Myanmar (Burma)
Viking Mekong	2012	168 ft.	25	60	30	Sailing on the Mekong River, Vietnam & Cambodia	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-mekong/index.html

Ships cruising in Egypt

Ship name	Year built/refurbished	Length	Crew	Guests	Staterooms	Comments	Website
MS Mayfair	2007/2011	280 ft.	75	160	80	Sailing on the Nile River, Egypt	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/ms-mayfair/index.html
MS Omar El Khayam	2007/2011	280 ft.	75	160	80	Sailing on Lake Nasser, Egypt	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/omar-el-khayam/index.html
Viking Ra	2017	413 ft.	55	48	24	Sailing on the Nile River, Egypt	https://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/egypt/viking-ra.html

Ships cruising in Europe

Ship name	Year built/refurbished	Class	Length	Crew	Guests	Staterooms	Comments	Website
Viking Longship Aegir	2012	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-aegir/index.html
Viking Longship Alruna	2016	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-alruna/index.html
Viking Longship Alsvin	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-alsvin/index.html
Viking Longship Atla	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-atla/index.html
Viking Longship Baldur	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-baldur/index.html
Viking Longship Bestla	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Longship Bragi	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-bragi/index.html
Viking Longship Buri	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-buri/index.html
Viking Longship Delling	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-delling/index.html
Viking Longship Egil	2016	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-egil/index.html
Viking Longship Eir	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-eir/index.html
Viking Longship Eistla	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Longship Embla	2012	Viking Longship	439.6 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-embla/index.html
Viking Longship Forseti	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-forseti/index.html
Viking Longship Freya	2012	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Longship Gefjon	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-gefjon/index.html
Viking Longship Gullveig	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-gullveig/index.html
Viking Longship Heimdal	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-heimdal/index.html
Viking Longship Hermod	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-hermod/index.html
Viking Longship Hlin	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-hlin/index.html
Viking Longship Idi	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-idi/index.html
Viking Longship Idun	2012	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-idun/index.html
Viking Longship Ingvi	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-ingvi/index.html
Viking Longship Jarl	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-jarl/index.html
Viking Longship Kadlin	2016	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-kadlin/index.html
Viking Longship Kara	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-kara/index.html
Viking Longship Kvasir	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-kvasir/index.html
Viking Longship Lif	2014	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-lif/index.html
Viking Longship Lofn	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-lofn/index.html
Viking Longship Magni	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-magni/index.html
Viking Longship Mani	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-mani/index.html
Viking Longship Mimir	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-mimir/index.html
Viking Longship Modi	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-modi/index.html
Viking Longship Njord	2012	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-njord/index.html
Viking Longship Odin	2012	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-odin/index.html
Viking Longship Rinda	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-rinda/index.html
Viking Longship Rolf	2016	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-rolf/index.html
Viking Longship Skadi	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-skadi/index.html
Viking Longship Skirnir	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-skirnir/index.html
Viking Longship Tialfi	2016	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-tialfi/index.html
Viking Longship Tor	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-tor/index.html
Viking Longship Var	2013	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivers cruising in Russiases.com/ships/viking-var/index.html
Viking Longship Ve	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-ve/index.html
Viking Longship Vidar	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-vidar/index.html
Viking Longship Vilhjalm	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-vilhjalm/index.html#noscroll
Viking Longship Vili	2015	Viking Longship	443 ft.	50	190	95	Diesel-electric hybrid engines	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-vili/index.html
Viking Hemming	2014	Douro	262 ft.	36	106	53	Sailing on the Douro River, Portugal	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-hemming/index.html
Viking Torgil	2014	Douro	262 ft.	36	106	53	Sailing on the Douro River, Portugal	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-torgil/index.html
Viking Osfrid	2016	Douro	262 ft.	36	106	53	Sailing on the Douro River, Portugal	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-osfrid/index.html
Viking Astrild	2015	Elbe	361 ft.	28	98	49	Sailing on the Elbe River	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-astrild/index.html
Viking Beyla	2015	Elbe	361 ft.	28	98	49	Sailing on the Elbe River	http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-beyla/index.html
Viking Fontane	1991/2010	Original Elbe	311 ft.	28	110	55	Sailing on the Elbe River
Viking Schumann	1991/2010	Original Elbe	311 ft.	28	110	55	Sailing on the Elbe River
Viking Legend	2009	Prestige	443 ft.	44	189	98	Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Prestige	2011	Prestige	443 ft.	44	189	97	Sailing on the Elbe River

Cruise Ship Fleet

Ship name	Year built/launching	Class	Length	Crew	Guests	Staterooms	Website	Image
Viking Star	2015	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465	http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-star/index.html
Viking Sea	2016	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465	http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-sea/index.html
Viking Sky	2017	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465	http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-sky/index.html
Viking Sun	2017	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465	http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-sun/index.html
Viking Spirit	2018	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465	http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-spirit/index.html
TBA	2019	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465
TBA	2021	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465
TBA	2022	Small Ocean Ship	745.4 ft.	465	930	465

-- Jytdog (talk) 04:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Excessively long lists of ships

Does anyone object to me moving them to a separate article? Edwardx (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

They don't belong in Wikipedia. Sourced entirely to their website and per WP:PROMO Wikipedia is not proxy for the websites of article subjects. Jytdog (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

In principle I don't have a problem with a stand alone list of ships of a particular shipping line. Existing examples include List of ships of the Illawarra Steam Navigation Company and List of P&O Ferries ships. Arguably Wikipedia should have more such lists than it does at the moment. Whether such a list is appropriate for this particular shipping line is another matter. I think it would be, primarily because the shipping line is well known, operates worldwide, and has a large fleet. Another option might be to create an equivalent of the German language article de:Viking Longships, which is about the single class of ships that makes up most of that fleet. Bahnfrend (talk) 02:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Posssibly coming in late, a seperate article with neutral presentation would be a good idea Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:09, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Could not verify patent numbers for longboat design

I wanted to look at the patents for the longboat cabin configuration designs. The article indicates the patent numbers (1832106-0001 and 1832106-0011) and that these are US patents -- but they are not found on either the USPTO or google patents websites... These patents need to be confirmed in the article and/or corrected/removed if needed. 172.85.18.26 (talk) 00:07, 27 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.85.18.26 (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

They should be prefixed D (for design) and the numbers after the dash should be ignored, I think that is just a revision number. So we are looking for D1832106. There is no such patent number on the US patent database as I think you've discovered. However that patent number would have been issued in 1958 so is not in the main on-line database which only goes back to 1976. Numbers issued for 1999/2000 woud be in the range D403485 - D435712. I did try adding "D4" to the front of the number but got a list of 50,000 possible hits!

Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposed edits

I have declared my COI above, and would like to propose edits to the page, to bring it up to speed. I've condensed it, brought in better sources when necessary, and aimed to make it encyclopedic. See here for my proposed edits. Thanks.--Bernie44 (talk) 19:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

No thank you. Please propose individual specific changes. We are unpaid volunteers and have neither the time nor interest to compare two possible versions of an article. Edwardx (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

I am available to compare both versions and report back here with the results prior to implementation — which looks likely, from what I've seen so far. As they've been a long time contributor to this page, I would like the input of Jytdog (talk) on this as well, before any changes are made.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  23:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you.--Bernie44 (talk) 00:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Please be aware that I am a close reader, and I will be making sure that everything is actually cited to a reliable source, and I will remove anything advertising-y. I will also go looking for negative information to ensure that NPOV is met. Are you sure this is ready for review? (I took a quick glance and this Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed longships seems to be unsourced, and it later says Viking started to build "longships" in 2012....) Jytdog (talk) 00:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

My report on those changes:

• The claim "Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed Longships" exists in the standing version, and is kept in the proposed version. The claim's veracity is unknown.
• The "Company History" has been condensed and renamed "History", omitting many irrelevant facts from various ship sizes, etc., and dates acquired. The Guinness World Records claim is retained.
• No dates or quantities kept in the proposed version have been altered from the standing version, with the exception of the number of ships shown in the lead. The proposed version delineates "river vessels" as numbering 62 and "ocean ships" as 4. The standing version makes no such distinctions, placing their number of ships at "more than 60."
• The Viking expansion into North America with offices in LA has been listed in the proposed version as occurring in the year 2000. This is not mentioned in the standing version.
• The standing version's infobox shows the HQ's as LA. The proposed version deletes LA, replacing it with Basel. An explanation is provided in the text of the proposed version ("The company's operations center is in Basel, Switzerland, with its marketing headquarters in Los Angeles, California."[14]).
• The proposed version deletes the standing version's "Amenities" subheading entirely, which was heavily laden with an advertising-like tone.
• The proposed version deletes the standing version's "Awards" subheading, also heavily laden with advertising-like tone.
• The media section has been renamed "Sponsorhips".
• There is no change to the three pictures featured in the article.

Delete I would suggest deleting from the proposed version this sentence (which also exists in the standing version):

• "Their cruises are geared primarily toward English-speaking customers in North America, the United Kingdom and Australia." (and the reference for it, No. 15)

The claim statement mentioned by Jytdog

Standing version	Proposed version
Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed Longships, adding 6 to the fleet in 2012, 10 of the same in 2013, 18 in 2014, 12 in 2015, 6 in 2016 and 2 in 2017. The number of ships built in 2013 and 2014 represented a world record and was noted in the Guinness Book of World Records.	Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed longships. The company began a rapid growth in 2012, adding 54 ships to its fleet over a five-year period. The 28 combined ships built in 2013 and 2014 represented a world record, which was noted in the Guinness Book of World Records.

References

 Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  00:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

That was intense. :) I was just asking Bernie if he is really ready for review. This is the first time i have reviewed his work (and his first time having me review it) so I just wanted to give him a heads up. When he says is ready I will go to work! And in the meaintime, of course please do as you will. Jytdog (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both. I've gone through the draft again and made a few edits. Jytdog, I am ready for your review.--Bernie44 (talk) 02:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Very minor point, perhaps the sentence "Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed longships. should read …own river ships, the uniquely designed longships. (italics just for emphasis here) Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, just checking in to see if you have had a chance to review my proposed edits. Thanks.--Bernie44 (talk) 15:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for following up! Not yet - but will get to this soon. Jytdog (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.--Bernie44 (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

•  Done Jytdog (talk) 07:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)