Talk:Victor Herbert

Confusing line

Under "Instrumental Music" it says: "After Herbert's death, little of his instrumental music continued to be performed, but within the last couple of decades it has begun to enjoy revivals in concert and recordings. His Cello Concerto No. 2 in E minor, Op. 30, is an exception to this." The second sentence is either saying that the Cello Concerto No. 2 is an exception to the revival of interest in Herbert's music or it (the concerto) is an exception in that interest never diminished. I believe the author is trying to say the latter but it's unclear. If it is the latter a better structure would be something like: "After Herbert's death, little of his instrumental music (with the exception of the 2nd cello concerto which has remained in the repertory) continued to be performed. Within the last couple of decades, however, the rest of Herbert's instrumental music has begun to enjoy revivals in concert and recordings." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egoody3 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment

I removed this line: In 1915, Herbert became the first man to compose a film score -- for The Fall of a Nation, a forgotten sequel to The Birth of a Nation.

because it's simply untrue. Saint-Saëns was the first, for a film called L'Assassinat du duc de Guise (The Assassination of the Duke of Guise) in 1908. Melodia Chaconne 18:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

16 Dec 05 I removed the reference to "Sally (1920)" in the list of Herbert's compositions. The music to that show was composed by Jerome Kern. User:Jeffmatt

I added a lot of info from the web, but the article needs a better bibliography, footnoting, etc. Ssilvers 01:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I romoved this line "If one does not know about dis dude than they shall rejoice." And added nicer things!

3 Apr 08. Although Jerome Kern wrote the music for SALLY (1920), Victor Herbert wrote its "Butterfly Ballet", per E.N. Waters biography, p. 525. He wrote songs for other Ziegfeld shows, including contributing to several editions of the Ziegfeld Follies - 1917, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923 (per the J. Kaye biography, p. 266) [User: Eriknorcal] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eriknorcal (talk • contribs) 06:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified one external link on Victor Herbert. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060117195632/http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Features/CA_Feature_Basic_Template_Print/0,2809,553,00.html to http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Features/CA_Feature_Basic_Template_Print/0,2809,553,00.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}). This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified 2 external links on Victor Herbert. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100924183727/http://julianlloydwebber.com/ladn_3_87_her.asp to http://www.julianlloydwebber.com/ladn_3_87_her.asp
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060717010828/http://halhkmusic.com/victorian.html to http://www.halhkmusic.com/victorian.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Victor Herbert's birthplace

I restored the changes concerning Herbert's birthplace. This Irish Times article about Herbert's Guernsey birth cites the research. Can anyone find other sources about it? -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I am the historian who did all the original genealogical research. My published work on Herbert includes all the references. THERE IS NO EXTANT BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR VICTOR HERBERT but his baptismal certificate from Frieburg (available on Ancestry as I noted) clearly names him "Victor August Herbert". It is inaccurate to give his birth name as "Victor August Muspratt." The 1861 English census that lists him as Muspratt is complicated by his mother's return for the adultery case and should not be used as evidence of his name at birth. Fanny Lover gave him his father's name from the start. I can send you the baptismal record. I am also trying to add my published essay "Victor Herbert, Nationalism and Musical Expression" to the citations for the Wikipedia entry in addition to the one already listed "Was Victor Herbert Irish?" It is more detailed on Herbert's contribution to Irish associational culture, music and history. Mrcgih (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Marion R. Casey mrc7@nyu.edu

• Evangelische Landeskirch Baden, Germany 11 July 1859 Freiburg Lutheran church baptismal record for Victor August Herbert

I wish Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians would keep up with you. We drew their attention to the facts two years or so ago, but the false information is still given that he was born in Dublin. Tim riley talk 16:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Natoma

I am removing the line that Natoma was "well received", as the Natoma article linked only has negative to middling reviews. Deliusfan (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)