Talk:Varsity Cup Championship

Varsity Cup

FYI- The @ indicates the host institution for all rounds and is what is used on the Varsity Cup bracket for first and second round matches. If you don't like it, then figure out a better way to indicate whom the home team was for ALL matches. Otherwise you should leave it as it is. Bigddan11 (talk) 11:58, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Bigddan11: Some rugby articles discussing one specific tournament give information as to where the various matches were played, for example 2015_Rugby_World_Cup#Knockout_stage. If you think it's important to show where the games were played, you could try using that format for 2016 and we could see how it looks. Keep in mind that this article, though, covers every year's Varsity Cup tournaments and not just one year, so the match location is a level of detail that is probably not necessary for an overview article, and I can't think of any other wiki article discussing a recurring tournament giving this level of detail for the QF and SF rounds. And drop the WP:OWNERSHIP attitude; you have no authority to command any wiki editor to "leave it as is", especially when you are the one trying to change the page. Cheers. CUA 27 (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you to a degree. The difference here though is the winning percentage has never been tabulated before to determine if the road and home field has an influence on the match. I believe it does. One thing EVERY other collegiate sport shows for a season is the correlation of wins for a home team. The Varsity Cup is still a collegiate event, even if it isn't sponsored by the NCAA. That's one of the reasons it should be included.

As for page ownership, I never said I had ownership. I pointed out that it should actually show home and road info. I had come up with one way of doing it, italics, because people asked me on various places how to know whom the home and road teams were since they were interested in figuring out winning percentages for the home team. However they wanted to know the correlation for the home and road winning percentage, and that couldn't be done when currently you can only see italics or bold. The problem with the italics is while they looked good, there is no way to bold and italicize the same team on wiki that I'm aware of in the results.

As for other tourneys you mentioned, I can point out most of those tourneys have a year specific page in addition to the overview page. That's onw of the reasons they don't have the entire tourney bracket listed on them.

I believe if it was to be done for EVERY season, we would find out that the home team is winning close to 85% of the matches. This year if BYU wins the championship at South Field, the home team will have won 67% of the time (10-5). How does that compare to previous seasons? If it truly is 85% of the home teams winning, that's a huge advantage that should be highlighted that no one has pointed out. When only the championship is on a neutral site, you can find recurring patterns that people may otherwise overlook if you can just figure out how to illustrate them. That's where the interesting story comes into play that can attract more people and distinguish it from others. That's the reason for distinguishing the home and road here. Bigddan11 (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Bigddan11 — Thanks for the explanation. I don't have a strong opinion as to whether the home team should be shown. Home field is relevant, but so is the identity of the referee, weather conditions, etc., and many other factors not represented here. And home field is irrelevant for blowouts, which is unfortunately the majority of Varsity Cup matches. My point is that if we are going to list home team, we do it in a way that is visually appealing and easy to understand. I don't think the "@" symbol does the trick. You say that every other college sports article shows home team — please send me links to articles that use the "@" symbol for tournament brackets so that I can take a look. And if you want bold and italics, here you go. CUA 27 (talk) 01:41, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Bigddan11 — Just wondering if you had any reply to my comment above. Thanks. CUA 27 (talk) 01:45, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

CUA 27 - I never said that other tournaments used the @ to distinguish the home team. What I said was other tournaments had a way of showing whom the home team and the road team were since it was one of the determinate factors in whom moves on. For example nearly 70% of the home court teams in the women's tournament advance to the Sweet 16. I actually looked at possibly using their format, but the problem was that it gets broken down into regions with one site for the first and second round. The Varsity Cup sites can vary by each round. I also looked at using the rugby one you mentioned, but that one would work only for 8 on, whereas we need 16 to start. Bigddan11 (talk) 23:29, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Bigddan11 — Try using this bracket and see how it looks, it has 16 teams. 2014_FIFA_World_Cup#Knockout_stage. CUA 27 (talk) 02:18, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

CUA 27 - It would work, but there's no Third Place match in the Varsity Cup, and the World Cup always has a third place match, so it has to be included if you use that bracket. Bigddan11 (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

CUA 27 - I found out how to do italics and bold on the same line, so we can choose to use italics to represent the home team like originally done without changing anything. It looks a lot nicer than the @ and illustrates where the game took place at without adding the home field for every line and spacing it out unnecessarily. Bigddan11 (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I agree that looks a lot nicer than the @ symbol. CUA 27 (talk) 15:36, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Teams section

In the "Teams" section, I think the "Best VC Result" column is ambiguous: are we listing the farthest round a team has progressed to, or the farthest round a team has won? I think that the entry for Arkansas State needs to be updated for their 2017 result (lost in the Finals) but due to the ambiguity won't update them.Dcbrc2 (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The farthest round a team has progressed to. I have updated Arkansas State. Feel free to point out anything else that needs updating, or to make the update yourself if your prefer. Cheers. CUA 27 (talk) 02:33, 9 May 2017 (UTC)