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Kundalini and Varmakalai

If one has to know about Varma kalai it is very important to know about Kundalini yoga.

The Kundalini yoga, which is beccoming a popular way of meditation in today’s modern world to reduce hypertension but most of them don’t know what they are doing or what is relay happening in human body when you concentrate their Kundalini energy.Today’s Yoga masters teach only about Seven Charkas in human body, where as there is 108 Chakras and how to concentrate them.

Chines call Kundalini as Che Energy. The energy that make man strong and weak. Science doesn’t accept this concept scientifically. But Chines way of acupuncture shows some +Ve signs in curing their patients, it is one way of channeling the energy of Kundalini and tuning and releasing the blocked energy in human body.

Look in to further Information about Varma Kalai on URL

http://www.silambam.in/kundalinivarmakalai.htm —This unsigned comment was added by 61.246.61.102 (talk • contribs) .

That sounds a bit POV in the article. Arundhati bakshi 11:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry but most people believe that bodhdiharma and his life are more of a legend than anything else.... further, no one has been able to tie bodhidharma to any martial arts. most of the stories about his life relate to him meditating in a cave and developing stretches that contributed to the shaolin style of kung fu. none of the legends talk about him bringing any martial arts from india to china. Most historians believe that this legend started in the 19th century. Kennethtennyson 16:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for the input. It is true that most people believe the Bodhidharma story to be a legend. I have found this information in the following title: "Varma Cuttiram வர்ம சுத்திரம்" which was taken from a palm leaf manuscript stored in Japan. Unfortunately in regards to Indian history, the Southern part of the country has been neglected for a period of time leaving a lot of unanswered questions and basically having Indian historians to pretty much recreate their history on assumptions.

Much research needs to be done in reagards to Southern Indian or Dravidian history. Just recently after the 2004 tsunami, there have been new discoveries of articfacts and temples which were exposed to by the natural disaster. Ancient Tamil literature speaks of a tsunami which pretty much left many monuments and temples to be buried in the Bay of Bengal. The Indian government has done nothing to sponsor any underwater excavations in Southern India due to historical biasedness of the country. Only recently there has been an underwater excavation project underway.

Sorry for the long dissertation, but basically what we hear of India is primarily from the North Indian POV, thus leaving a lot of unanswered historical questions regarding the Southern peninsula. Much research needs to be done in the history of Southern India, primarily on the Pallava and Chola Kingdoms since they were recorded as sea travellers. Perhaps, I guess it would be safe to possibly reword the section on Bodhidarma regarding Varma Kalai, and state that the info was taken from the book on Varma Cuttiram translated from a Tamil manuscript? Could you offer some suggestions that could benefit this article? Regards.

Wiki Raja 22:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Varma Kalai and Varma Kalari

Hi Dayaanjali,

I noticed that you have placed a merge tag at the top of the page. Please let me explain that their needs to be a separate article on both Varma Kalai and Varma Kalari since both may share similarities, but are of two different histories and background. Please seen here for more description in regards to this here. Regards. Wiki Raja 05:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear All,

With the limited experience of being with varmam master for 10 years, the term "kalari" is used to mention the martial arts that is practiced in Kerela, India.[kalari means ground. Think about the god 'Kalari moorthi']. On the other hand, "Kalai" means art. Hence, please do not combine varma kalai and varma kalari.

For the last few years, we [Arts Research Institute (ARI), Coimbatore, www.ari.org.in ]are taking huge effort to let the public know that science of varmam is more towards therapeutic form and least with respect to martial arts form. We can help the society with cost effective therapeutic form of varmam. If varmam is purely for martial arts, then what is the need for our Siddhars to document varmam under more than 120 different titles, with each one dealing with different systems, like nervous system, skeletal system, internal organs and etc.--Suresh.mano (talk) 09:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

varmam is the term for "pressure point". Varma ati, Varma kalari, Varma kalai and variants are terms for a martial arts tradition focussing on attacking such pressure points. As such, varmam could in principle be an article separate from Varma ati, but we would first need to gather sufficient material to justify the split. --dab (𒁳) 13:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Varma Kalai be merged here. Whilst it's apparent from discussions above that the two terms mean slightly different things to practitioners, all the sources in this article and those I've found whilst looking to flesh out the Varma Kalai article treat marma adi and varma kalai as effectively identical methods of pressure point manipulation. The inconsistent Romanisation of the terms is confusing, but I've yet to find a single source that clearly regards these as two separate arts. Wikipedia goes by what reliable sources report, so we should only have one article covering these concepts. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

• They should be merged but in the reverse order. Marma Adi is a part of Adi Murai (which is one of the three components of Varmakalai) and not the other way around. Please google "Adi Murai" and do some research on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianculturalfoundation (talk • contribs) 19:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• I agree with Indianculturalfoundation. Please remove merge tagline or else merge Adi Murai into Varma Kalai. Marma Adi is a part of Adi Murai (component of Varma Kalai). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel waikiki (talk • contribs) 19:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd call it a question of which of the two is mentioned more by the sources. The one that is mentioned less should be merged into the other one. MM (Report findings) ^{(Past espionage)} 10:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Statement

It is an element of the Indian martial art Kalaripayattu

In this article it is mentioned that Varmakalai which has its origin in Tamilakam as a part of Kallaripayat.Kalaripayat is a type of martial art that is originated from Kerala and i would to stress that Kalaripayat and tamil martial arts like Silambam,marma adi(varma kalai) and etc are completely different martial in term of its origin,application and everything.It is also very irritating that these Tamil martial arts are lumped together as Kalaripayat as mentioned in Kalaripayat article.I request the editor of this article to rectify the mistakes in this article as well as in Kalaripayat article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajendra Prasath Arumon (talk • contribs) 06:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• Kalaripayattu and Varmakalai are completely different Martial arts with completely different origins and styles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianculturalfoundation (talk • contribs) 19:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Marma adi is not a component of Varmakalai

• Marma adi\Varma adi is not a component of Varmakalai as mentioned.It is actually a component of Adi Murai.Adi Murai together with Vaasi yoga and Varma Vaidhiyam forms a Tamil martial arts called Varmakalai.--Rajendra Prasath Arumon 09:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajendra Prasath Arumon (talk • contribs)

• I also agree that, may be in order to avoid confusion between the two, the fact that both varma kalai and varma adi are not same, should be mentioned in the articles.
  

tausif 06:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Varma adi is but a small component of the martial art component(adi Murai) of Varmakalai. A conversation with any villager in rural Tamil Nadu will clarify any doubts. A merge would be completely inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianculturalfoundation (talk • contribs) 19:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding content without any cites

117.193.102.49, you continue to mass-add large amounts of material with zero citations. Please look at the information I put on your talk page, which should explain that we need reliable sources. Ogress _smash! 08:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

add section 'in popular culture'

I suggest to add a section 'in popular culture' to the existing article (upfront my apologies to not knowing how this is to be done in wiki). The background to my question is that I have come across works of fiction that relate to this martial arts, which I believe should a reader should know about. OliverKipf (talk) 08:59, 23 September 2021 (UTC)