Talk:Varapuzha Basilica

Requested move 5 February 2021

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Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph's Minor Basilica,Varapuzha → Varapuzha Basilica Church – If it is popularly known by this name, it is more WP:CONCISE. The name must change from its current format due to MOS:CAPS. Elizium23 (talk) 04:52, 5 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. — Twassman [Talk·Contribs] 00:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. What's MOS:CAPS got to do with it? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

  Necrothesp, being that "minor basilica" is not part of the proper name, it would be lowercase. There is also a space missing. That is moot, because there is no other minor basilica by this name, making the "Varapuzha" disambiguation superfluous. So, an alternative rename would be Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph minor basilica. Elizium23 (talk) 18:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

  Although I think it is really jumping the gun, this WP:COI account has come just as the decree has been handed down. The last time a minor basilica was declared, we waited a few months for the offiicial name change. Elizium23 (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Rename to Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph's Church, Varapuzha. Appears to be the commonest name of a variety. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:37, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Can we find any sources about this? There aren’t any here. If we can’t find sources, then I recommend sending it to AFD instead of worrying about the name at the moment. Red Phoenix ^talk 18:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I think we can assume that Roman Catholic basilicas are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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We see where this article originated in October 2019 as Draft:Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph's Monastery cum Parish Church ,Varapuzha. It was moved to mainspace as Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph's Monastery cum Parish Church ,Varapuzha, which is also an incorrect title due to the spacing between "Church", the comma and "Varapuzha". This article was then renamed in that same month of 2019 to Varapuzha Church, where it stayed until January 2021, when it was renamed Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph's Minor Basilica,Varapuzha, another incorrect title due to a spacing problem. So I think the move made back to Varapuzha Church was a move to its most stable and correctly formatted title thus far. Please let me know if further action should be taken at the present time. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 03:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, if I read MOS:SAINTS correctly, the "St" should be followed by a full stop, as in "St." in article content ; however, the abbreviation should never be used in article titles. This appears to be another reason to not use the long title we moved from. If used, it would become Our Lady of Mount Carmel and Saint Joseph's Minor Basilica, Varapuzha or something similar. That's not etched in stone because if the "St." or just "St" is part of the common name in reliable sources (policy), that would override the MOS style guideline. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 03:49, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Kindly change the Article name to Basilica of Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St. Joseph,Varapuzha

In the Liturgical year 2021, which is specially dedicated to the Patron of the Catholic Church- St Joseph by Pope Francis, the small but vibrant Church in Kerala too got an amazing gift from the Pontiff. The Head of the Church has recognised and announced the elevation of one of Kerala's oldest and most beautiful Churches as a Minor Basilica. In a fitting move, Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Joseph's Church in Varapuzha, which was established in 1673 and served as a Cathedral until 1904 is upgraded and enlisted as a Minor Basilica by the Universal Catholic Church in January, 2021.

The historic Church which is situated in an island in a serene atmosphere in Kochi has been a solace to numerous people without any religious differences for nearly three and a half centuries. As numerous people used to come to this Church seeking the immediate Help and intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mother and Her Noble and Just spouse St Joseph, it is considered as a pilgrim center. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4073:209C:5D89:F1E1:DC49:1A60:3183 (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Change article title to Varapuzha Basilica

In a letter dated December 11, 2020, the office of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments approved the application of the archdiocese of Verapoly to elevate the status of the former cathedral of Varapuzha to a minor basilica.As a minor basilica, it will be one of only 28 nationwide and 10th in Kerala, and the first one in the country to be named after St Joseph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin1825 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elizium23 (talk) 04:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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