Talk:University of Virginia/Incorrectly tagged images

Jim Apple incorrectly tagged an image on the Cavalier Marching Band, and replaced another incorrect tag after an administrator had removed it. He has since apologized but I urge Jim, and others, to be more careful in tagging images that others have uploaded because it could lead to the deletion of images that are legitimately used and this would detract from the user experience at our free encyclopedia. Please watch for other instances of this across the U.Va. pages of Wikipedia (not necessarily just originating from Jim, but in general). –Uris 16:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

This message, to be careful when tagging images (I hadn't seen that the untagger was an admin who had reviewed the unusual license terms), is relevant always, though it must be balanced with being bold.

I encourage everyone to:

* Mark unfree images as such

* Find, take, or upload free images for wikipedia to use. Jim Apple 16:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Of course, we all encourage people to do this. What we don't encourage is repeatedly marking photos with clearly identifiable sources and copyrights as "missing source or copyright information". But in the end, no harm done. –Uris 17:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll say it again: If you want to complain about my behavior, go to my talk page. Unless your comments are about the institution or the page "University of Virginia", they don't belong here. Jim Apple 17:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

What I am doing is warning others to look for this behaviour, not just from you. I didn't directly address you here (although you did just that here recently). Since you are the only person who has thus far done this sort of thing on the U.Va. pages, you were mentioned. –Uris 17:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

My comments were about this page. Your comments are about another page, namely, Image:UVa Marching Band.jpg. Why shouldn't I just move this conversation to that talk page? Jim Apple 17:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Your comment was about a comment I made while editing this page. My comment is a warning about all pages relating to U.Va. The reason this is posted here is so that people will be duly warned about something they probably have an interest in. If it was removed from here, and I failed to replace it, it could easily happen again with other images relating to the University of Virginia. –Uris 17:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

This could happen with any image, so why not put a warning on every talk page in the wikiworld?

That would be absurd, and, for the same reason, this whole conversation is absurd. "Don't make mistakes on images

put in pages

that are linked to

from this page!"

What a useless warning! It's insanely obvious, and it in no way relates to UVa.

Here, I'll sum up for everyone:

DON'T MAKE MISTAKES

There, no everything is taken care of. Now, be sure to copy and paste that everywhere. Jim Apple 17:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Jim, I find it hard to believe that it was just an honest mistake to mark an image as "missing information on source or copyright" when that information was very plain to see on the page you tagged. And I don't think you're the only one who might be tempted to do it here, either. –Uris 17:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, so now we get to the crux of the matter. It's relevant here because you don't think my edit was in good faith. Well, that's charming, let's put DON'T MAKE MISTAKES THAT URIS THINKS ARE INTENTIONAL in every controversial article.

If you think my mistake was a "mistake", then deal with it ON THE TALK PAGE OF THE IMAGE ITSELF. Jim Apple 17:54, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I moved this whole thing to this subpage. Jim Apple 17:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Jim, it's not just you. For two years, I've encountered members of the Virginia Pep Band, such as yourself, who constantly fight to tilt Wikipedia toward their own self-interest (and away from the Cavalier Marching Band).

Disclaimer: I have never been a member of any type of pep or marching band, and though I enjoy the sounds of the Cavalier Band today, I also enjoyed the Pep Band at its height in the 1980s and 1990s. –Uris 18:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Please find edits that are POV and expose them. I can't and won't discuss generalities about what you've seen, though I believe my edits, except this and one or two other mistakes (not involving you or UVa), stand up to vigorous scrutiny.

If you wish to complain about the Pep Band and Wikipedia, this is not the place, and you know that. Jim Apple 18:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'd call it POV, but doesn't it seem odd that much of the Cavalier Marching Band article references the Virginia Pep Band? I'm sure that in time it won't be that way, but it seems a bit skewed. You're right though, not the place for that. –Uris 18:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Frankly, I think it's the only notable thing about the CMB. Otherwise, what would separate them from hundreds of other collegiate marching bands? Jim Apple 18:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

That's sort of like saying: what would separate Scott Stadium from the hundreds of other collegiate football stadiums? What would separate the University of Virginia from the hundreds of other universities in the United States? To the unbiased observor, Mr. Pease and the Cavalier Band are very good at what they do. –Uris 18:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The numbers distinguish. There are only a few (30?) American universities of UVa's caliber, but there are hundreds of marching bands of CMB's caliber. I'm not saying that CMB sucks or is even mediocre, I'm just saying there are lots of talented marching bands. There's also no rankings list, so every band can claim to be a top marching band.

In addition, the number of people for whom UVa is (or was) a big part of their lives is in the tens, or perhaps hundreds, of thousands, whereas that number is much much lower for the CMB. Jim Apple 18:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)