Talk:Umm Kulthum bint Uqba

The two divorces

There seems to be resistance to the idea that Zayd ibn Haritha divorced Umm Kulthum. This is clearly stated in Ibn Sa'd, The Companions of Badr, page 32: "Zayd ibn Haritha divorced Umm Kulthum." If Ibn Sa'd is wrong about this, evidence should be produced.

The nature of Umm Kulthum's "trick" on Zubayr is apparent in the wording of Ibn Sa'd, The Women of Madina, page 163. After he had refused her initial request for a divorce, she caught him off-guard and annoyed him into issuing the talaq out of anger. She then gave birth on the same day (indeed "later"; but apparently only a few hours later). This meant she did not need to serve the usual three-month waiting period, as the birth of a child automatically ends this period.

Rather than assess whether Zubayr "knew certainly" or only "believed probably" that Umm Kulthum would refuse a second proposal from him (which we have no way of knowing), it is better to cite Zubayr's own words: "She will never come back to me."Petra MacDonald (talk) 23:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Copyright violation not clear.

See main page of http://www.themodernreligion.com/index1.html , and it says, "No Copyright: Any organisation or individual wishing to reprint or copy the contents of this website may do so unless otherwise stated on specific articles. The information, names of authors and sources are to be kept in its original form. An acknowledgement to this site would be appreciated."

Technically though having no copyright doesn't allow them to say that "The information...etc etc" i.e. they can't place information into the public domain and then try and control how it is copied. My call is that the intent of the author wanted "No Copyright" more than that 2nd sentence which is maintaining the attribution. Ttiotsw 22:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Quran verse

I need 2001:8F8:1B8B:C6C4:FCA6:AA89:1E18:DF0 (talk) 07:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)