Talk:Twomad

Death date on the 14th or some other date?

Should the death date be on the 14th or some other date? Most articles have reported it today. But there was reports by friends that they haven't heard from him, and his status on discord apparently hadn't changed for 5 days. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 03:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Good question, the 14th was when he was found dead, so i think we should keep it until more information has been found CyrusGD (talk) 03:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Actually, It should be the 13th, The body was discovered on tuesday. Which would be the 13th, it shouldn't be changed to the 8th until it's confirmed. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 03:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I think he actually died around February 9th because his last tweet was on February 9th, about 1:30 AM. 2600:1700:1224:6300:519B:15E9:2C7F:2EF5 (talk) 12:49, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Not Notable

This page was already previously deleted for lacking notability and this article only cites articles talking about his death, Twomad fails to meet any form of the notability standards of Wikipedia as his only notable achievement were brief cameos on broadcasts such as the BBC talking about the Zoom trolling from back in 2020-2021, this page should be deleted as it also does a terrible job representing this individual lacking most of his notability on the online sphere, (Ex: Zoom Trolling, Goodnight Girl, Abuse Allegations, Hasan Beef, Etc.), most of these topics are going to be lacking on sources because he is simply not notable enough to have numerous accredited sources talking about his career.

tl;dr: Twomad doesn’t meet the notability standards set by Wikipedia and as such this page should be deleted, this isn’t Wikitubia. InternetEnigma (talk) 03:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

When Twomad became popular, there were articles that talked about him. You can find these by searching "Twomad", going to news, and making a custom range to see articles made before his death. Not only that, but on the article "Deaths in 2024", he is listed, and the article states that only notable deaths are indexed. Just because he wasn't "notable" according to you, doesn't mean a death should go unnoticed, especially since he had a massive following. CyrusGD (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

We are not talking about his death we are talking about an entire article dedicated to him, he should be listed on the Deaths page yes but that does not mean he is notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page that is just a bad faith argument, there are numerous YouTubers who have “massive followings” that don’t have Wikipedia pages as that does not meet the requirements laid out by Wikipedia’s notability standard, a prominent example is Inugami Korone who notably does not have a Wikipedia page yet was the center of the massively popular meme “Eekum Bokum”, is the ambassador for Sonic The Hedgehog and has Millions of Subscribers yet lacks a page here because she is not properly covered by the mainstream media which is the major requirement for an Articles notability standard. This Article still only cites news about his death which does not meet the criteria for a dedicated Wikipedia page. InternetEnigma (talk) 04:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I wrote this article in sort of a rush, and im planning on coming back to it later and adding more. I was not planning on his death being the only thing about this article. While I do see where you are coming from, and your point, I feel that we should wait on deletion. CyrusGD (talk) 04:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

As I said when I AFD'd the article the first time - He wasn't notable enough to have a WP article [3] days ago when he was alive - that doesn't change today now that he's dead.

I'm a bit annoyed, honestly, that someone recreated the article even though it was moved to draft space and was AFD'd. This still belongs in draft at worst, afaic. There is literally zero substantive content in this article. --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 14:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

IMO from gathering sources he was notable even prior to his death with the articles written for his BTS stunts (even in Korean), his appearance on the BBC, and the restraining order made against him. Is it a GA? surely not. It's counter productive arguing about this and trying to ignore consensus set forth by an AfD NAADAAN (talk) 21:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Tossing my two cents. Doing research on twomad I've found him to be formative to internet culture - mainly youtube poops along the stereotypical gamer genre of "loud noises" and MLG hitmarkers. He is accused of allegations of raping an underage girl, which he has admitted to performing. He died before any decision was made in this case. He's created notable content such as the rainbow six siege tournament that organized youtubers from all walks of life - Shadman, The Living Tombstone, TuxBird, Dolan Darker, so many names were on that tournament that weren't professional gamers but just enjoyable youtubers. He was able to coordinate that and create what was genuinely a great stream that I hold memories of to this day. However, he blundered it all on his own. We can only speculate what ailed him as he only admits to having inner monologues. However, he denied the reality of raping the girl for such a long time, saying he had evidence and could defend himself. Eventually some internal monologue breaks him, and he's seen going back and forth with himself until he decides to admit that he raped the girl. From there forward he uses humor as a coping mechanism, embracing that he raped the girl and "would do it again", attempting to use shock and humor to minimize the damages associated with the guilt of his actions. Before all of this, paranoia led him to believe his closest friends were against him when they were moreso concerned about his finances and ability to control his life. Eventually his friend, Jameskii, would lead the lawsuit of rape allegations against him, paying for the victim's legal fees to see justice delivered. I'm not sure what the hell really is here to consider "notable", but I've got sources so far and it's easily the most tragic outcome I've seen of a YouTuber. [-Grimreapaa/Unregistered] [February 15th 3:00 PM UTC] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C67:6E7F:4792:2D9A:A482:E807:8E5F (talk) 15:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

the only notable things you mentioned are the allegations, which, if you have sources for, should be added to the article. him having organized a "great stream" with relevancy in the youtube space, however, is not notable by wikipedia standards, no matter how fondly you remember it. everything i could find on him has to do with his death, and on a personal note i don't really see how you could find so many nice things to say about a guy who admitted to raping an underage girl. so +1 for the deletion argument Equirax (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Someone had to bury their son, their brother, because of these events. To call him purely evil is incorrect. 2600:6C67:6E7F:4792:919C:CD36:4261:4C39 (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

agreed. He isn't that notable enough to have a whole article dedicated to him, and the article is very barebones anyway. Yeial (talk) 15:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Unless enough information is gathered to improve this page, I don’t see any reason for it being up. I Am Hunted (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I would say he's worthy of having his own page, but first editors need to add things about his life besides his death for it to stand in my opinion.

Twomad has had a considerable impact on YouTube despite him being "not notable" enough through his impact on meme culture in the early 2020s/late 2010s, and that's something which is deemed acceptable to make Wikipedia articles about according to what I've seen on this website. I don't see any harm in this page being kept up, however for it to be considered as an article to stay, I do think people need to add more substance into what he's done besides dying. If Speed has paragraphs about him pulling shenanigans on a Discord voice chat or him getting banned from Valorant, I don't think it should be too hard for Wikipedia editors to come up with something substantial for Twomad. Jerry (talk) 20:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree, he definitely deserves this Wiki page, he was very notable between 2018-2021, and even more notable in 2023-2024 because of the allegations against him. Please don't delete the page. Umbre04 (talk) 10:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Youtube link broken?

The youtube URL link is broken. When you click on it, it takes you to https://www.youtube.com/channel/@Threemad. This should've worked, but it redirects you to the main page. I attempted to fix this but to no use. On youtube, the page for a youtube channel is https://www.youtube.com/@Threemad. Is there a work around the link to remove the /channel/ part of it? Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:49, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done I changed the parameter from channel_url to channel_direct_url. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 16:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Nature of Sedik's drug use

Many people have questioned what substances Sedik was using that led to his addiction and ultimately his death.

The one I've heard the most frequently is ketamine. If you search "ketamine" and various slang for it on his Twitter profile @twomad, countless results referencing his personal drug use appear. I also saw footage of his final livestream on February 8th from hours before Sedik's death, where he directly mentions ketamine and says he's going to do it later numerous times. I do not know if Sedik was using other drugs as well. Mainstream media seems to be echoing the reports that he may have died from consuming large quantities of ketamine that was laced with fentanyl, or simply that he overdosed on fentanyl. I am not 100% sure how verifiable this is yet, but we will likely find out soon.

What we know from the LA Coroner's Office at this tims does at least indicate that the cause of death was a drug overdose. The exact nature of it has yet to be specified though.

Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 18:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Alot of people around him say it started around the time he moved to LA, no exact drug has been said by anyone to my knowledge though, best place to keep an eye on currently is Jameskii's twitter account due to him sharing alot of info due to being personally involved in legal action against him, and is retweeting almost anything from others who knew twomad. Alot of it can't currently cant be cited but once James is out of the ER he'll likely be releasing more info (also should be mostly public records or soon will be wherever u would go to see civil/criminal case records according to James 75.140.37.34 (talk) 11:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

deletion opportunity is mixed

twomad had a high range of influence within internet culture but i must say its a tad underwhelming how the article for him only mentions his death, if anything i think this article is worth expanding instead of removing by any part Miner Eleven (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

News sources to cite

I tried to add an article from what I believed was a mainstream news source that would report on the death of a popular internet celebrity like this, The U.S. Sun, as a citation to confirm the verified claim that Muudea Sedik died while playing Overwatch 2. However, upon almost submitting this edit, I was warned by an editing bot that The Sun is a deprecated source and declined to submit the edit as a result. I figured this is the proper course of action given that automated warning.

TMZ was the first media outlet to report on twomad's death, shortly after it was discovered and announced to the public I believe. Despite otherwise often being an unreliable source given that they're a celebrity gossip tabloid, they tend to be fairly accurate when reporting the deaths of public figures shortly after they happen.

Given my troubles with The Sun, we need more verified reliable news sources to report on Sedik's internet entertainment career, his public reputation, and the circumstances surrounding his death. I think we should avoid citing social sources like YouTube and Twitter, even if using verified footage or statements from Muudea himself from before his death, as websites like those two are notoriously unreliable sources, regardless of content. I'll search the web for these tonight and tomorrow, but I could definitely use some help. Please feel free to give me a hand with this if you're interested. Thank you.

Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 00:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Jameskii + Twomad situation

So far have yet to see anyone mention all the info Jameskii has been revealing about Twomad on twitter. I don't know anything about editing Wikipedia or even how to upload photos or anything, but I'll leave some of jameskii's main tweets here for someone who knows what their doing to look at, might be useful info for deciding on page removal which I don't think should happen especially with how hard he is to research about due to legal disputes and because James will be releasing more info soon hes said.Jameskii Twitter Post 1 Jameskii Twitter Post 2

Also tweet from Minx(another YouTuber, allegedly interfered with legal action against twomad according to James) showing papers from case against twomad that show him holding various firearms Minx Twitter Post

(sorry for terrible formatting, the mobile Wikipedia layout ain't that good honestly and idk what im doing) dd 75.140.37.34 (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

EXTRA NOTE: alot of the jameskii situation doesn't have much sources to properly cite yet that I've found, but he has said that all the legal stuff should be public info, I just don't know where to search for that kinda stuff 75.140.37.34 (talk) 11:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like all 3rd-hand information, and falls within WP:RSPTWITTER. Should be avoided. See also WP:RUMOR and WP:NOTNEWS. --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 15:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

YT mid-importance?

@Davest3r08 I'm going to challenge your assertion of this being a mid-level importance subject/article for the YT project. I'm just not seeing it here in the assessment scale. It does not meet the criteria of "Subject is only notable within its particular field or subject and has achieved notability in a particular place or area.", and I do not think that mid-importance in internet culture automagically means it gets mid-importance in the method of conveyance. For YT - this should be bumped down to low. --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 15:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Picard's Facepalm, Twomad/Sedik had a decent following on YouTube, was known across the K-pop fandom as an Internet troll (unsure if that's the right word but eh), has had his general content aside from his zoombombing and his death covered by reputable sources. So at least a decent amount of people on YouTube have heard of him. — Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 20:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

With 2.5 billion users per month - what constitutes "a decent amount of people on YT" to help further meet that criteria? I'd say it is pretty safe to assume that the overwhelming majority of people on YT had not heard of him. --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 20:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

To further that - according to Thoughtleaders.IO he is not in the top 500 subscribed channels, has lost 10k subscribers in the past month, has almost near 0% engagement (comments), is showing near 0% audience loyalty, and no sponsorships. Youtubers.ME also does not even him in the top 10000 subscribed channels (10,000th has 3.21 million), and the 10,000th most viewed channel has 1.2 billion views. Just for a single channel - and again - just for 10,000th place in that ranking. That's a pretty far cry from 217 million across all of his combined channels. Where is the line drawn for "decent number" ? --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 20:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

To add a bit more... SocialBlade.COM is showing 19,300 channels with higher subscription counts, just shy of 74,000 channels with higher view counts, resulting in 1.1 million channels with a higher social blade ranking. Until his death he was averaging less than 30,000 views a week over the last 6 months, and had not gained any notable amounts of new subscribers since July. --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 21:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Vortex3427 for adjusting the importance levels. As you can see above - I tried to previously challenge the original rankings - but received no further response from @Davest3r08. I am glad that someone else from the assessment team sees that this was incorrectly tagged. In reality - I still think this entire article should not exist - but that's another discussion. --Picard's Facepalm • ^{Made It So} _Engage! • 19:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Personal life section

A section dedicated to talking about his mental health such as his schizophrenia could be helpful? what's your opinions on it [1] Realgravity (talk) 06:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Was Sedik ever confirmed to be diagnosed with schizophrenia or not? I know he was very mentally ill, I'm just not aware of how much we know about exact disorders be suffered from.

For what it's worth, I was well aware of Twomad when he was still alive, since around his late teens circa 2019, and sometimes I checked in on him. However, I didn't follow him closely like some others editing this article probably did.

Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Youtube, Twitter, and Podcasts are not reliable sources

this article is riddled with information that may be pertinent to his fandom, but is unsupported outside of these platforms and therefore should not be considered noteworthy enough for a wikipedia page. Equirax (talk) 00:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

there may be an argument that his own tweets and videos can support some claims but i would refer to wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources Equirax (talk) 00:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Twomad’s tweets are actually highly unreliable as a source as he was a known liar and troll, that was his entire gimmick after all, so they shouldn’t even be used at all in this case otherwise we’d be saying Brianna Ghey’s his girlfriend and other insane schitzo postings like him being Callmecarson and what not. InternetEnigma (talk) 02:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

expansion

I tried expanding the article based on the only useful (as opposed to useable) sources we have. Some of them, such as HotNewHipHop, came across to me as churnalism (although I kept some in such as E! Online). Everything seems to be summarized here, except his Overwatch Discord status — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Reinstatement of death date

@FroneFC: Please stop reinstating the death date despite multiple reverts. It's WP:OR. We should just leave it at "early February 2024" or "February 2024", or, if you want, "February 9–13, 2024". WritingAboutCreepypastas (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Disclosure: This is Vortex3427 on an alt account, who has reverted this editor before/ WritingAboutCreepypastas (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)