Talk:Turkish coffee/Archive 2

Variations: "Bosnia and Herzegovina"

The way to make Turkish coffee described unter this section is not exclusive (except maybe for the name mentioned) to Bosnia and Herzegovina, but common in other parts of Ex-Yugoslavia as well. I do not come from there, but I know at least people from Croatia and Slovenia making coffee (called simply "coffee") there exactly that way. So the section "Bosnia and Herzegovina" should probably be replaced by "Former Yugoslavia", "Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina", simply "Balkans", or something similar. --Mottenkiste (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Greek coffee

Someone seems to be having an issue with this section, and insists on continuing to blank it.

Personally I have no involvement or connection to the article, nor any investment in the content beyond my desire that all articles on the wiki be complete and of high-quality. However, I note that the content seems to be properly sourced and formatted. It would be helpful if all involved could work together to maintain WP:NPOV, and if this content does not reflect that, or is not entirely complete and therefore not adequately inclusive, perhaps those who are regularly involved in the editing and maintenance of this article would be willing to work together to improve this section thusly? besieged^talk 14:48, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Besieged: I share your sentiments. But the real problem here (as I see it) is that the blankings are being done by an IP address who hasn't really explained why they disapprove of the material. If that IP address would engage in discussion here, I think we could indeed have a useful discussion. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@NewYorkActuary:Indeed, that is what I was hoping to spur, and left a message on the user's talk page to that effect. The user in question is currently blocked from editing the article for 48 hours as a result of Admin Noticeboard report for edit warring, and I'm hoping the cool-down period will, along with my message to them, will encourage them to join a discussion here. besieged^talk 17:54, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Besieged:National chauvinism often rears its ugly head in articles about foods -- and their names -- that are shared among the former Ottoman countries. The passage about the name "Greek coffee" vs. "Turkish coffee" is not only "properly" sourced, but one of the sources (Browning) is a top scholar of Greek. We have had similar issues in Gyro (food)#Name article.

In fact, Doner kebab, Shawarma, and Gyro (food) really should be a single article based on content, but all of the nationalities involved object to that.... Can you imagine breaking out sausage into separate articles by language?: wurst, saucisse, salsiccia, etc.? --Macrakis (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Macrakis:That's why I kept reverting his/her blanking of the content - and eventually reported the edit war - because as far as I could tell, the sources in question seemed quite credible. besieged^talk 20:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Besieged:Greek coffee has been around long before 1965, this author is a liar. Calling greek coffee turkish, is offensive. 79.129.243.213 (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@79.129.243.213:You may be right that it was sometimes called "Ελληνικός" before 1965. Do you have any evidence? (WP:RS) As for "offensive", "Τούρκικος καφές" is a well-established usage in Greek. --Macrakis (talk) 15:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Macrakis:Of course it is, it is used to refer to turkish coffee, not Greek coffee. As for the so called "reliably sourced content" all the sources refer to is the Turkish invasion of Cyprus and the Greek–Turkish relations, nothing to do with coffee. Greek coffee is far superior in flavour and aroma and has nothing to do with the Turkic variant. As for "offensive", i believe he meant it is offencive to call Greek coffe "Turkic".46.198.138.49 (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@79.129.243.213:Quite some claims. Do you have any reliable sources for any of this?

As for the sources saying something about coffee, Mikes says "Now that they are quarrelling with the Turks over Cyprus, Turkish coffee has been renamed Greek coffee". That seems pretty clear. Browning is quoted in the article: "τούρκικος καφές [Turkish coffee] became ελληνικός καφές [Greek coffee]". In what sense does that have "nothing to do with coffee"?

Browning, by the way, is a noted philhellene, and the cited source, Medieval and Modern Greek, a highly regarded handbook. Check out his wikipedia page. --Macrakis (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I have added some additional sources. --Macrakis (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Greek coffee is not Turkish coffee but a different blend and roast. One well know brand is Papagalos Loumidis greek coffee that has been produced since the 1920s. There is plenty of space on this world for different coffees to match different palates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.194.220.250 (talk) 22:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)