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This is TOTAL BULLSHIT..NEVER HAS BEEN ANY EVIDENCE FOUDN TO INDICATE THERE EXISTS SUCH A REGION...ALL ALONG TULU HAS BEEN IN CO-EXISTANCE WITH KANNADA..THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN HISTORICALLY FOR MORE THAN 1000 YEARS..HOW CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING STUPID LIKE GERMAN MISSIONARIES USED KANNADA SCRIPT FROM MANGALORE TO WRITE TULU (IF TULU SCRIPT EXISTS WHAT MADE THEM TO USE KANNADA SCRIPT) AND EVEN IF THEY USE KANNADA SCRIPT HOW DID PEOPLE FORGET TULU SCRIPT...TULU PEOPLE MUST FIRST UNDERSTAND KANNADA AND IT'S HISORY BEFORE HYPOTHETICALLY GLORIFYING TULU WITHOUT ANY RATIONALE.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Please refer this link for Tulunadu flag & emblem [ http://tulunadurakshanavedike.blogspot.com/2010/12/tulunad-rakshana-vedike.html ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 10:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I suppose the map should include northern Kasaragod too.
Manjunatha (4 Jun 2006)
Yes. Its true. Tulunad map should include the north Kasaragod Part too. The river Payasvini will be the border.
Mahesha Elliadka (9 Apr 2007)
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The "Culture of Tulu Nadu" section repeats a lot of information given in the paragraph right before it. Could the two be merged? DoorsAjar 01:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
"Canara" has been Indianized as "Kannada"
I do not see references for this line 'The name "Canara" has been Indianized as "Kannada", so that the districts are now Uttara Kannada and Dakshina Kannada' seems unreferenced. Bengaloorinava (talk) 08:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that someone is trying to include anil kumble name in Tulu_Nadu#Famous_persons_from_Tulu_Nadu. this is absurd and absolutely make no sense. just because his "paternal great grandfather" born in Kasargod district(over 2 generations) doesn't mean anil is also from tulunadu. anilkumble and his father both born in Bangalore. C21Ktalk 08:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
U said it C21K, I quote 'just because his "paternal great grandfather" born in Kasargod district(over 2 generations) doesn't mean anil is also from tulunadu'. Thats exactly the reason why he is of Tulu origin. People of India origin have been living in various countries for centuries with the current generation never visiting India during their lifetime, but still they are called people of India Origin, same logic applies here. Hope u understand the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- You said "He is of tulu origin" - This is joke. neither anil, nor his father nor his grandfather is from tulunadu, only his "great grandfather" born in kumbla village, which don't make him from tulunadu. your logic seems to be very silly. the list should be include only people who are born in tulunadu region or atleast the person should have lived in this region (like Aravind Adiga). next time you try to add any names who are not from tulunadu, it will be considered as vandalism and reverted. C21Ktalk 08:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
It was a typo error, i meant to say " he is of Tulunadu origin". His great grand father and other ancestors before him were born and lived in Tulunadu. that necessarly make hin of Tulu nadu origin. Now more than half of tulunadu's population have migrated to various other cities. No matter where they live and how long they have lived there their origin will be from Tulu nadu. Just as people of Indian origin living in other countries. Please don't threaten, we are here for discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- No, anil can never be from tulunadu. no matter where his "great grandfather" is born. firstly "tulunadu" is a unofficial region, no single person knows such a region exist(other than mangaloreans). no surprise if someone claim that anil is from "kerala" (just because his great grandfather is born in kumbla village). what kind of logic is this, according to your logic, a person will have atleast 10-14 origins (father,mother ,grandparents,great grandparents born in different places). this is really absurd. and again , list should include only the people who are born in this region or atleast lived in this region, no other names are allowed. if not i will be bold and remove the entire list as lists are not part of structure in articles like places/regions. I don't see this kind of lists in any other important regions like vidharba, telangana etc. be happy with current list, if you continue to add the names who are not born in tulunadu region, i will defnitely remove the entire list for the reasons stated above. C21Ktalk 13:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
A lot of people know about Tulu Nadu. Unofficial region? Where does Wikipedia state that only entities with official recognition can have articles?? 10 to 14 origins??? His maternal and paternal grandparents were both from the regions around Kumble village. Please correct your self, it is Kumble and not Kumbla as u mentioned.
- "A lot of people know"? ok do small survey you will come to know the real fact. in karnataka itself, there are many people who donot know there is something language called "Tulu". and i don't need to correct anything, it is Kumbla village not Kumble. C21Ktalk 06:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I have done a survey myself, not only in karnataka but out side karnataka as well and a good no. of people know about Tulu language, or at least have heard about it. For that matter there are people who don;t know about kannada or Telugu in North India. It depends on what type of person u ask. The topic we are discussing is not about the popularity of a language, but the origin of Anil Kumble. If u have any info please provide it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- A person is identified by his nationality, state, city, language and by caste, not by unofficial regions. for the last time i am saying, donot include the names who are not born in this region. and it is possible for me to remove the entire list, because lists are not included as a separate sections in WikiProject Regions of India guidelines. create a new account and create a separate page for the list. C21Ktalk 09:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
You said 'A person is identified by his nationality, state, city, language and by caste, not by unofficial regions' whats do u mean to say, keep your original research to yourself. And how does the official status of a region affect when saying someones origin? Tulu nadu may not be an offcial region, but Tulu and Tulunadu has official recognition both by the State and Central Govt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Tulu has no official recognition in neither state nor central government, tulu is not mentioned in eighth schedule languages. and Seriously you lack some commonsense, origin is different, you cannot say someone is "from Tulunadu" just because the "person" relative is born in this region. to include the name in the list the person should have born in this region or atleast he should have lived in this region. this is what all wikipedians follow while creating the list. see for examples List of people from Tamil Nadu, List of people from Kerala and List of people from Karnataka. C21Ktalk 11:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
You are living in fools paradise when u say 'Tulu has no official recognition in neither state nor central government'. State Govt. has set up Tulu Sahitya Academy on the order of Central govt. Funds are granted for Tulu language.Also you can check the languages website and get more info. I have already given the example of People of Indian origin, many have never visited India for generation let alone live in India, but still they are called PIO. Same logic applies here. So now stop nagging on the same point, if have any other point please raise it or else this discussion is closed.
- I'm talking about official language status; tulu is not mentioned in eighth schedule languages. and keep your logics away from wikipedia. This is encyclopedia, not the place to play with your silly logics. India is different, it is country and globaly known. not like unknown and unofficial regions. since you continued to vandalize the list, it is not possible to maintain good version list. hence i removed the entire list, lists are not included as a separate section in WikiProject Regions of India guidelines. if you want then create a separate page. anyway you've lost here, no one will help you. again you lack some commonsense. "People of India origin" is different from calling "People from India". our beloved prime minister Manmohan Singh born in Paksitan, but we cannot say his chidrens have origin with Pakistan. Muttaiah Muralitharan has a origin in India. see , but Muttaiah is never called as Indian or "he is from India". C21Ktalk 16:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
First understand what is official language and official recognition of a language, then bring your unique funds here. Playing? thats exactly what you are doing here. Globally known or not, how does that matter when u describe someone's origins? And you need not take about my commonsense, be with in your limits. i am vandalizing? I have in each of my edit given reasons. but you have edited without reasoning, please check history, u will know who is a vandal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Area and Population
Article seriously need correct information about total gegraphical area and total population of Tulu Nadu, article says "Tulu Nadu spans an area of 8,441 km2 (3,259 sq mi), roughly 4.4% of the total geographical area of Karnataka. The population of this region was 3,005,897 in 2001." but it doesn't include the population and area of Kasargod district. WHY?? C21Ktalk 07:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- The reason is it includes only northern parts of the Kasargod district of Kerala up to the river Chandragiri as per my research on Mangalorean regionalism. So, it's not the entire district, but a small part of it. So, it's better if you undo your edits yourself. KensplanetTC 07:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, i thought entire Kasaragod district is a part of Tulu Nadu. C21Ktalk 07:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- We do know exactly how much is this area. There's no latest official statistics on it. Outdated British statistics do exist. But, I know that Tulu Nadu = South Canara of British India (Remember South Canara did include the small part of Kasargod of Tulu Nadu, which was later given to Kerala by the Ststes Reorganization Act of 1956). Actually, on 25 January 1887, Pope Leo XIII had established the Roman Catholic Diocese of Mangalore for the entire South Canara district or Tulu Nadu. So, Tulu Nadu is the area under the Roman Catholic Diocese of Mangalore. And the Diocese is official. So, I think the 2001 statistics of the Mangalore Diocese does reflect the 2001 statistics of Tulu Nadu officially. If I have the consensus, I can update the statistics. Comments are welcomed. KensplanetTC 07:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- Diocese of Mangalore comprises 8 taluks of Dakshina Kannada and Udupi and one taluk of Kasargod district. Kasargod district has 2 taluks, Kasaragod(north) and Hosdurg(south). Tulunadu includes northern part of kasaragod district, it means diocese is refering to Kasaragod taluk. so i think Area and Population of Kasaragod taluk can be added into the article. I don't know much about this region, you have a very good knowledge about tulunadu, so please edit the lead paragraph to make it clear. even the infobox is not correct, the infobox image covers the entire portion of kasaragod district, but the infobox details includes only about DakshinaKannada and Udupi. C21Ktalk 08:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Look...entire population of Kasaragod taluk is not Tuluvas....Malayalis, Kannadigas(Koteyar), Konkanis and Marathies also form significant population....I think almost or more than 60% of population of Kasaragod Taluk are Tuluvas....The area of Kasaragod where i live has a significant Marathi and Malayali population with many Konkanis....I have never seen a Tuluva here....... ARUNKUMAR P.R 15:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Malayalam and Tulu Script
Look...false information is spread.... Its not that Tulu gave rise to malayalam script or Malayalam to Tulu.... The script of both languages evolved from Grantha Script.... Malayalam had this evolution line... Brahmi script->Grantha script->Vattezhuttu/Kolezhutu script->Old Malayalam script->New malayalam script adopted for typewriters.... So Tulu might also had such evolutionary line........ Even Kannada and Tamil script were derived from Grantha script.... So i just deleted some lines mentioning nonsense theory..... ARUNKUMAR P.R 15:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)