Talk:Tulane University/Archives/2012

Additional images

I was thinking of trying to find additional images for this page and perhaps add a student life section. Any thoughts?

If someone can take and upload some good photos they're willing to release under GFDL or similar free licence, those would be welcome. -- Infrogmation 17:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I normally attend Loyola, right next door to Tulane. Once I get back to Loyola in January I could probably get some pictures of the two schools.Kevin M Marshall 02:40, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

• May 2009: We still could use some more photos of the Tulane Campus, especially of the buildings and parts of campus not yet covered by the photos on Wikimedia Commons. If someone (or a few people) who are regularly on campus and have a camera can snap some pix and upload them to Commons in the Category:Tulane University] it would be appreciated. -- Infrogmation (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• You may be able to find images with WP-compatible licenses on the Tulane Flickr group (link) --Dystopos (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your instructions on where to categorize the photos. I have been trying to land some photos of the Freeman School, McAlister Drive, and surrounding areas like Audubon Park and Exposition Blvd. The problem is that the only students who have cameras around here are rich girls, and they don't give a damn about taking pics for Wikipedia (but they put up Facebook photos of themselves daily). I might date one of these girls just to get camera access. 74.250.198.96 (talk) 04:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Y'all need a picture of Paul's yacht. It's by the swimming pool -- unless Katrina finally got it to float again. A codicil to the endowment was that the school got the money and had to keep Paul's yacht in sailing condition. It might be that they could burn the dumb thing after a century or something, and it might be that they did so, now that Blenn Geck's daughter is there, but they sure had the dumbest dingy in the world behind glass by the pool back in 70's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.186.127.134 (talk) 13:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

• The "Nydia" belonged to A. B. Wood, a TU engineer who invented the screw pumps used to drain the city. The boat was restored and moved to a display next to the engineering building with the University Center was renovated in 2004. (story) (The UC swimming pool was long-gone, having been taken over by the book store). --Dystopos (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Future?

Any idea of what will become of this and all the other colleges now that they've been flooded? Jarwulf 06:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The article has a link to emergency.tulane.edu which has as much information as feasible for now. Dystopos 14:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Tulane has rebounded nicely from the Katrina debacle, and has adequately prepared for any unfortunate eventuality (the school's connection with the AAU gives displaced Tulane students access to host institutions). As established in the page itself, Tulane has actually broken previous application records in the past two years, and this trend is likely to continue, with the quality of incoming students increasing along with the application numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florida Is Hell (talk • contribs) 19:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

NPOV

The article says, "The Green Wave entered the postseason ranked No. 1 and beat Rice University in a thrilling game to win its Super Regional." The use of the word "thrilling" makes this not an NPOV. Whether a game is thrilling or not is your own opinion not an objective fact. I don't have the time or the care to go through the article searching for and correcting other errors but maybe someone else does. 129.81.212.204 16:48, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

• OK. Thanks for the detailed report. --Dystopos 19:02, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Advice for incoming students

33% of students at Tulane have an STD. This is above the national average, and a good thing to keep in mind. The most prevalent STDs on campus are HPV (Genital Warts) is the most common (50% of students tested have this), followed by Chlamydia (10%) and Genital Herpes (8%).

from the College Prowler guidebook, Tulane University - Off the Record -- unsigned comment by User:205.201.29.200

• The same page mentions that "Mugar Memorial Library" is a "Top Place to Find Hotties". Boston might be a bit of a haul just for a hook-up. Not sure how reliable this source is, but feel free to add cited info if you like. --Dystopos 22:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• How can the statement that "50% of students tested have [HPV]" be reconciled with the statement that "33% of students at Tulane have an STD?" Do you mean that 50% of students with an STD have HPV?--74.241.103.221 04:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

What do STDS have to do with this Wiki entry?

This is not a discussion form about Tulane. Discussion here should be limited to improving the Wikipedia article. -- Infrogmation 15:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

infobox

If it's okay, I've replaced the custom table, with the standard Template:Infobox_University. As you can see, the syntax much easier with the infobox. But no doubt, the template is work-in-progress. Any edits you think you are necessary to the infobox, you should bring up at the talk page. --Ttownfeen 18:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

I've always wondered, is it pronounced more like TUH-LANE or TWO-LANE?

I've noticed that people from Louisiana tend to pronounce it TWO-lane, whereas students who come from the northeast will say it more like "T'lane." -- Tulane97 20:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Both are right.

I'm from Baton Rouge, although my entire family's from New Orleans, and I never heard it called "T'lane" until I heard northerners call it that. Locals tend to call it "two-lane" --Bobster687 03:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I live near Tulane and formerly worked there. "Two-lane" is certainly closer, though the "u" sound to my ears is just slightly softer than in the word "Two". -- Infrogmation 01:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

PECKER?

No one calls Riptide pecker, I don't know who put that but it may be a penis joke.

Also, no refences to Harvard: the Tulane of the North - a common saying amongst New Orleanians, that's odd. It's one of the more fun things you hear about the University.

• I don't think that "_____ is the Harvard of the South"/"Harvard is the _____ of the North" is restricted to Tulane. --Dystopos 13:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

really? I've not heard it about any other school. I first heard the saying in New York however. What other Universities does this saying apply to? I can think of a few that deserve it more than Tulane may now, but historically, I'm not sure.

• this somewhat opinionated article goes into detail and puts Tulane below the middle tier of "Harvards of the South" (all of whom "believe that this is the only school bearing that epithet.") See also Southern Ivies. Currently, "The Harvard of the South redirects to Vanderbilt University, but I'm changing to to point to Southern Ivies. --Dystopos 13:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Pecker is the name of a different mascot then Riptide. Pecker is an inflatable suit with the image of a sneering pelican. Pecker gets his name from the fact the operator of the suit can smack people with his beak with virtually no distress to his victim because its filled with air. He's most often seen at football games.

How about we all shut up and just get along? Also, keep the Saved By The Bell references to a minimal or at elast to second period, please.74.195.3.11 04:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Pecker was, if I recall, a popular write-in suggestion for the name of the new pelican mascot when it was introduced in 1995 or so. (My suggestion was to just keep the name "Gumby", but what do I know.) --Dystopos 05:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Frasier

There was an episode of Frasier where he implied that Niles' surgeon went to Tulane medical school, and that Frasier was somehow not happy about that, saying only "and I think you all know how I feel about Tulane's medical school." [1]. I don't know if there's anything more about Tulane in the series than that.

p.s. it's TWO-lane.

I'm pretty sure this attributable to his Ivy League condescencion, which is referenced later on in that episode. Of course, in classic Frasier fashion, the Tulane educated surgeon quickly demonstrates his medical dominance over the belligerent and egomaniacal radio shrink. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florida Is Hell (talk • contribs) 21:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Movie Premiere

The world premiere of All the King's Men was actually at the Toronto International Film Festival on Sept. 10, six days before the Tulane premiere. [2] It surprises me like, not at all, how everyone at the Hullabaloo paper seemed to missed that fact. Call it the US premiere, or the Tulane premiere, or the New Orleans premiere, or the BS premiere. Here's another link. [3]

Tulane only university to go from being public to private?

Is it true that Tulane is the only school in the US to have been converted from a state university to a private university? This is mentioned in the Ford Commencement address, and I was wondering if it is still true or if another school has done so since then or something. If Tulane is still the only school, I think it should be mentioned in the opening paragraph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 34african34 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Well, I know that Ford said it, but the University of Houston was a public school being administered by the Houston Independent School District. It then became a private school in 1945. It became a state public school in 1963, but it really was a public school that was converted into a private school. So basically, I'm saying that information is incorrect. Ford must have been mistaken. Brianreading (talk) 05:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Tulane/Jewish ties

I know this person from Louisiana that swears up and down that Tulane is a Jewish University. I have never found any evidence of that myself -- no claim from the University, no record of it in the University's history, nothing that even could be mistaken for sectarian ties, Jewish or otherwise. There was some mention of anti-semitism long ago, which is the only tie-in. Do other people think there's some Jewish tie? Where does this idea come from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infomaniac8 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

There is a large Jewish student population, but no official connection. Historically the student body has been about 1/3 Jewish and 1/3 Catholic. Tulane97 23:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• There are ties to prominent Jewish individuals which date back to the University's role as the Medical College of Louisiana, but no ties to Judaism as such. (See Avron Fogelman, Judah Touro, Ben Wiener, Sam Zemurray et al) --Dystopos 23:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

There is also the Southern Institute housed there, which does research into Holocaust survivors in New Orleans (among a million other things). There is a sort of Conspiracy theory that it was invited to be housed at Tulane because of some anti-Semetic comments and actions by the then-current (sorry...) President. I think the "Jewlane" aspect comes from that, as well as the fact that a good percentage of the school is from the New York city area, which can be stereotyped as largely jewish. But I really don't think there's too much of a connection. 129.81.180.29 (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Tulane Trivia, Myth, and Lore

• This section is almost entirely NOT encyclopedic. If there's a citable source for any of this stuff, then bring it. Otherwise I'll be purging it in the very near future. --Dystopos 22:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I've brought back everything that I could find with a reference; however, all the facts listed on there before were true. Unfortunately, by the very definitions of "myth" and "lore," these things may not be facts but are, in fact, common rumors, so they fit in this category well. I'll be searching for written Ambassadors' guides because the Green Wave Ambassadors tell most of these things to their tour groups, including most that have been deleted. --Bobster687 21:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
    • There is no place in this encyclopedia for "common rumors" (See WP:A). In the interest of compromise I have taken the time to rewrite those items from this section which can be verified through the citations you have found. This does not mean that all this trivia belongs in an encyclopedia article, but I'll let the wider community of editors take their shot at incorporating it. --Dystopos 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles --Dystopos 23:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protect

I put in a request for page semi-protection, 'cause this is getting ridiculous. Here's hoping! --Ebyabe 15:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Good call, I was gonna see if it happened one more time before request protection and/or banning. VerruckteDan 00:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but it only semi-worked. They blocked the main offender for 31 hours. So it'll start up again on Friday morning, unless they use another IP, when it could be any ole time. *sigh* --Ebyabe 00:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I left a note on his/her talk page. Probably useless, I know, but I'm an incurable optimist, so what-the-hey? :) --Ebyabe 01:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

We'll just have to wait and see. I read your message on the talk page and I agree that if it's going to be added, there needs to be a source of some kind, which I find unlikely beyond eyewitness accounts. She does exist, I've seen her countless times over the years and was amazed that she made it through Katrina as if nothing ever happened. As for who she is, its all just rumor and stories, the kind of stuff you might hear on a campus tour (though they tend to not point out the locale characters that hang around campuses) one of those interesting people that hang around colleges. Anyway, my point was, we'll keep an eye on things and see what other actions might have to be taken. VerruckteDan 01:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Clearly even if information about her were verifiable, it would fall far short of being encyclopedic. Maybe for a Tulane-specific wiki, but not in a general encyclopedia. --Dystopos 03:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Prestige Factor

I was always under the impression that Tulane was considered a Southern Ivy school along the lines of Vanderbilt, Rice, Duke and Emory. Why is then ranked so low in the US NEWS rankings? Did it have anything to do with Katrina? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.7.101.41 (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, a lot of the New Orleans schools got docked because of their less-than-academic restructuring programs. I can't find an article, but searching for "Tulane Engineering" would yeild a lot of acrimonious pages. Tulane, like Ivy-League schools, tended to be overrated, but it still is barely a top 50 school as of 2007. 129.81.180.29 (talk) 19:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Being anywhere in the top 50 among academic rankings is quite an achievement. The USA is a big country with thousands of institutions, having various missions. Among National (research) Universities as rated by U.S. New & World Report, Tulane is the sole Louisiana institution among the top 50. The fact that Tulane's rating is below other "Southern Ivies" (Vanderbilt, Rice, Duke, Emory, Wake Forest) hardly diminishes the achievement of being that high. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.205.174.17 (talk) 21:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Many of these rankings place significant emphasis on compensation immediately after graduation. Since Tulane (and other Southern schools) tend to have a greater percentage of Alumni who stay in the South with lower comp levels, they tend to get penalized in the rankings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.210.27.33 (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

As a Tulane student I'm probably horribly biased, but over the last few years Tulane has become increasingly difficult to get into (it received over 40,000 applications this year), and is highly regarded nationwide. Its architecture, undergraduate business, and Latin American Studies programs are highly ranked (the Latin American Studies department is ranked second in the nation), and both the Law and Med schools are acclaimed for the quality of instruction that they offer. All this aside, as the previous contributor wrote, the rankings systems used by publications like US News are often suspect, and rely on criteria that hardly reflect on how outstanding a given university is. They're useful for gauging the caliber of school a student may be qualified for, but to use them as an infallible source of school quality is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florida Is Hell (talk • contribs) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Colors

Are those the right colors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AtmanDave (talk • contribs) 01:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The colors are Olive Green and Sky Blue, even though one usually uses forest and sky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.144.221 (talk) 04:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't realize this was already a topic, see below or scroll to the bottom for the new topic I created. The school colors are incorrect as listed in the article, the correct colors are Tulane Blue (Tulane Blue #224568, R=34, G=69, B=104) and Tulane Green (Tulane Green #00331A, R=0, G=51, B=26) as of today, May 8, 2012.(http://tulane.edu/news/style/colorpalette.cfm)

"Alma Maters"?

I'm sure the plural form of alma mater is not alma maters but almae matres. I shan't change it until somebody has had the chance to point out why I may be displaying crass ignorance.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• Almae matres is the correct Latin form. "Alma maters" is an accepted variant, at least in American English. (I believe the formulation "shan't" has also fallen out of standard English.) Usage marches on. Follow your heart. --Dystopos (talk) 17:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

If this form is in use in American English then far be it from me to tamper with it. I have just never heard it before. Nor have I heard almae matres - it's not a term that one uses very often. Actually, I'm not sure what an alma mater is in this sense - it seems to be a song. I only know it in the sense of the institution itself. I can assure you that 'shan't' is still very much in use in UK English today. It is the basic way of saying what one will not do in the future: 'I shan't disturb you', 'I shan't be home until after midnight', 'I shan't make that mistake again'. I think this is quite accurate.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 08:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Admissions Numbers?

The source given states 27 %, but US News and CollegeBoard list it as 44 %:

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/2029
http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=2291&profileId=1
--MosheA (talk) 22:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• The sources you cite are showing fall 2007 numbers. The source on the article is linked to the Admission site reporting fall 2008 numbers. In 2008 a surge in applications seems to have made the acceptance rate drop. Aaron charles (talk) 04:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Yay, I just got accepted! Thought it would be near impossible with that huge drop. --MosheA (talk) 19:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:TulaneGreenWave.png

The image File:TulaneGreenWave.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --17:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Problem solved. --Bobster687 (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Logo vs. Seal

Other universities (take your pick, MIT, Stanford, Rice, USC, Michigan) feature the official seal of the university at the top of the info box and the logo or branded wordmark at the bottom after the website. However, Tulane's has the logo (the TU shield) at the top though the "football" is the official seal. Perhaps we should be consistent with other universities as the TU Shield is a branded logo and not used in formal occasions as is the Football Seal. Downtownblue (talk) 23:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

• The WikiProject Universities/Article guidelines recommend "All institution articles should have an infobox providing the basic details about the institution, preferably with an image of the institution logo. The logo image should have its own specific fair use rationale." Please revert back to the logo. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
• Use of the logo instead of the seal would also be in line with the copyright holders wishes. Per Tulane UNIVERSITY SEAL, "The Tulane University seal is only used on formal occasions. It is emblazoned on the university flag and displayed on the commencement stage. Its use is otherwise reserved for diplomas, official academic transcripts and Board of Tulane communications." Wikipedia does not fit copyright holder's definition of formal occasion. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
• I have reverted the article back to the logo and flagged the seal file for possible copyright violation. Sorry, it is a nice looking seal, but Wiki is trying to be copyright compliant. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 16:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see now, Aaron Charles. Since I added it to the article most recently, I'll outline my argument for keeping the seal:

1) The guidelines for university use at http://tulane.edu/about/traditions.cfm don't specifically preclude its use here. It says, "The Tulane University seal is only used on formal occasions. It is emblazoned on the university flag and displayed on the commencement stage. Its use is otherwise reserved for diplomas, official academic transcripts and Board of Tulane communications." If one interprets this to mean that it can't be represented in an encyclopedia then one might also wonder why it's visually featured on that page itself since the page isn't a formal occasion, the university flag, the commencement stage, a diploma, an official academic transcript, or a Board of Tulane communication. It therefore seems reasonable to assume that use is acceptable for educational purposes, such as on that information page and in an encyclopedia. Such guidelines are fairly common for colleges and universities, and so are these exceptions (I'll most directly address this as 3-c).

2) I can't seem to find where at WP:LOGO it says that we can't use the seal based on Tulane's guidelines. I read "Note that it is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using its logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with Wikipedia or endorses either Wikipedia or the article in which the logo appears, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner." I can't find anything in WP:NFCC, used as a guide for LOGO, either.

3) The interpretation of WP:UNIGUIDE above is definitely not my interpretation.

a) UNIGUIDE does say "preferably with an image of the institution logo", but the language does not specifically preclude use of the seal (as it would do if it read "preferably with an image of the institution logo instead of the seal or campus," which it does not).

b) The use of Template:Infobox University clearly makes a place at the bottom specifically for a logo, implying that the image at top would be used for something else (in fact, the last edit removed the parameter itself). The example clearly intends to use a seal as the main image, as well.

c) Every featured article example at UNI seems to use a seal as the main image and perhaps a logo at the bottom of the infobox. It seems odd for a fellow UNI participant to bar seal use in this infobox only when seal use appears to be not only acceptable but standard.

d) Since I'm a participant in UNI, too, I propose we start a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Universities/Article_guidelines#Infobox and logos about the apparent lack of clarity and/or agreement with the Infobox University in UNIGUIDE.

I very well could be wrong here, so I'll avoid an edit war and not revert, but I'd still really appreciate some helpful counterpoints to (or agreements with) my argument. To clarify, since "argument" in the academic sense often seems to have an effect other than the one I intend: I might sound like an overconfident jerk, but I'm just trying to show what I see, and to understand other possible perspectives. By the way, AC, thanks for catching the redirect; that was foolish of me. Cheers! --King of the Arverni (talk) 03:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe consensus and precedent would suggest that the historical seal of the university should be used for the primary image and the new-fangled, marketing trope logo created as a part of the organizational "graphic identity" movement of the past decade or so should be at the bottom. Wikipedia isn't bound by the restrictions institutions choose to impose on the various components of their graphic identity (such as the seal only being used on diplomas, etc.). Madcoverboy (talk) 04:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia is not bound by an institution's restrictions, but it does respect copyright.

"The Tulane University website(s) includes a variety of materials, including but not limited to graphics, photographs, audio and video files, and text, created by different members of the Tulane community and these materials are owned in whole or in principal part by the Administrators of the Tulane Educational Fund. Although these works might be accessible freely on the World Wide Web and might not include any statement about copyright, the U.S. Copyright Act nevertheless provides that such works are protected by copyright. Users must assume that works are protected by copyright until they learn otherwise." In other words, Tulane has given permission for the logo to be used for non-profit uses, but not the seal unless for its own formal occasions. Aaron charles (talk) 14:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

If the seal was published any time before 1923, it is no longer protected by copyright, though still possibly by trademark (which does not expire). Moreover, Wikipedia employs and depends upon fair use doctrine to use those materials that are still copyrighted or trademarked. So long as we're not willy-nilly splashing the seal around everywhere and using it in a limited and educational context, we're well within our rights to use it as the lead image. Madcoverboy (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Aaron, you may have been distracted by Madcoverboy's comments, but I think it's important that you, as an editor with an opposing argument, answer my pointed and honest questions. Can you specifically show me how using the seal violates WP:LOGO or WP:NFCC, and how http://tulane.edu/about/traditions.cfm meets your interpretation of Tulane's usage criteria? --King of the Arverni (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I apologize, let me be clear. The issue is trademark, not copyright. Per WP:LOGO it creates reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner following http://tulane.edu/about/traditions.cfm. Per WP:NFCC, there is a free equivalent: the shield logo. See the university's trademark policy http://tulane.edu/tulane/news/style/logos/trademark.cfm:

"In order to comply with and assure protection under federal trademark law (15 U.S.C. 1051 et seq.), The Administrators of the Tulane Educational Fund ("Tulane" or the "University") is required to monitor all uses of its trademarks. Unauthorized use of the University's trademarks is subject to civil and criminal penalties. The term "trademark" as used in this policy includes any trademark, service mark, logo, insignia, seal, crest, design, symbol or any combination of these.

The purpose of this policy is to provide information and guidelines to the University community regarding the use of Tulane's trademarks. The overall purpose of the licensing program is to protect the University's trademarks and to promote the University.

The University's trademarks include, but are not limited to: the words "Tulane", "Tulane University", "Green Wave", "Tulane Green Wave"; "TU"; the overlapping TU shield logo; the official seal of Tulane University; the T-wave logo, the Riptide pelican; and all current and future trademarks, service marks, word marks, designs or logos used by the University.

The University asserts ownership over its name and any trademark that has come to be associated with Tulane. The University has registered or filed to register certain of its trademarks with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Except as otherwise noted below, permission to use any University trademark must be granted by a member of the University's Trademark Usage Committee prior to production of each item utilizing the trademark. Requests to use University trademarks for non-commercial purposes should be submitted to the University Communications Office via email to trademrk@tulane.edu."

As per Wiki policy WP:NFCC, burden of proof is on users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale. So I suggest you seek permission, per Tulane's trademark. Aaron charles (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I'm quite new to all this LOGO and NFCC stuff myself, so please excuse me if I seem at all slow. And thanks for the awesome link! (You didn't need to quote that much of it, methinks, haha.) Okay, I'm still not entirely convinced that we can't use it, so here are my latest thoughts:

1) The TM link says that the policy applies to "faculty, staff, students, academic departments, ad hoc groups, administrative divisions/departments, alumni organizations, informal groups and student organizations." Its stated purpose is also "to provide information and guidelines to the University community." I don't see where such information is barred from use in an encyclopedia.

2) The source also says that its trademark includes 'the words "Tulane", "Tulane University", "Green Wave", "Tulane Green Wave"; "TU"' are we then to assume that, just like this seal issue, we cannot use those works on Wikipedia? That seems to fall in with your broad interpretation, Aaron.

3) Using the same source, I don't see encyclopedias listed as a product that, "normally" or otherwise, "will not be approved". (Unless Wikipedia is "inimical to the mission or image of the University." -- just kidding!)

We should just email trademrk@tulane.edu instead of continuing to hash this out? I'd gladly do so straight away but for two things: a) I'd like to see if anyone else has any other concerns, and b) I'm not sure how to email TU, request permission, and display that permission on Wikipedia without sacrificing some private information that I'd rather be kept private. So, does anyone else have any concerns, and does anyone have any counsel to offer re: my privacy concerns in seeking university permission? --King of the Arverni (talk) 18:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

(restore indent) FYI, a similar issue was discussed here: Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions re: UC and Notre Dame's trademarks. Wiki policy seems to be "let them come" so far as trademark law is concerned. Amerique^dialectics 18:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

In the interest of maintaining the standard, we should have the seal in the infobox. What other university article do we specifically not use the seal in the infobox for copyright (not the case here) or trademark reasons (is it the case here)? AniRaptor2001 (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

None that I know of, but that doesn't mean it's not the case. I contacted the person who was responsible for getting permission to use the logo and he/she declined to do anything for the seal because he/she has since become discouraged regarding his/her understanding of FUR ([4]). --King of the Arverni (talk) 13:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

My understanding is that if Fair Use is applicable, permission is irrelevant, and if Fair Use is not applicable, no permission (short of providing the art under a compatible free licenses) is adequate. --Dystopos (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I probably should've just let you speak for yourself to begin with, haha. --King of the Arverni (talk) 14:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

To clarify, I never sought permission to use the seal on this article (which is covered by Fair Use), but asked for permission to use the seal on user pages (specifically for Template:User Tulane). That permission was granted but I later learned that Wikipedia does not approve of the use of non-free art outside of Fair Use. --Dystopos (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I don't think I knew all of that. Do do you think you could get permission for article use after all then? --King of the Arverni (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstand. Regardless of the terms presented by Tulane, no permission is needed (or wanted by Wikipedia) if there is a justifiable Fair Use rationale for displaying the mark here. Seeking "permission" would merely muddy the waters. --Dystopos (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Really? Where were you guys when I was trying to keep people from removing and deleting it from the article, haha? So, you're saying that it can still be included, then? I do seem to be misunderstanding quite a bit; I'm terribly sorry for that! --King of the Arverni (talk) 22:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Seeking permission to use one seal would mean that we would have to seek permission to use all seals. As talk has said, a fair use justification of the university's seal should be enough.

Additionally, I can see that what previously provided the justification for removal of the seal was the following wording in UNIGUIDE: "All institution articles should have an infobox providing the basic details about the institution, preferably with an image of the institution logo. The logo image should have its own specific fair use rationale." After issues with other university articles, this was recently changed to read: "All institution articles should have an infobox providing the basic details about the institution, preferably with an image of the institution's official seal or coat of arms. The image should have its own specific fair use rationale." The "football" should be re-uploaded and placed in the infobox; the only high-quality image I can find is here, and I don't believe it's ok to appropriate someone's work because it represents something that can be used in wiki under fair use. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on the matter of college crests, or find an equivalent image.AniRaptor2001 (talk) 22:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Good old black & white version found here. --inquietudeofcharacter (talk) 20:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I've cropped out the seal and uploaded it to file:Tulane Shield BW.png. It's in black and white; I suppose somewhere along the line someone can use it as a starting point and update it with some nice colors and cleaner lines. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The seal is now at the top of the infobox; the shield logo which represents the university in publicity materials is at the bottom. This has been done according to the wording of WP:UNIGUIDE. All that's left to do is bring some color to the logo (see the description on the file page for anyone who wants to have a go) and clean it up, tweak the sizing of the logos so the infobox looks its best. Also left to do is remove the white background from the shield+wordmark logo at the bottom. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 21:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Full circle? In any case, I uploaded a colored version of the previously uploaded scan image. I also have an outline only version should contributors think that would be more appropriate for Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Downtownblue (talk • contribs) 21:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The colored seal looks great to me. This is what the seal was intended to look like, not black and white so I believe we'd be correct to stay with this. Gonk (talk) 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

There's a similar discussion going on over at Talk:University of Pennsylvania that we've moved to Wikipedia talk:College and university article guidelines. Please feel free to offer any opinions you might have there -- we're (or I'm) eager to hear everyone's thoughts! --inquietudeofcharacter (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Good article status?

I was wondering if there is a general consensus on whether we should nominate this article for good article status? Is there anything that noticeably needs to be changed/updated in the main article? From what I can see, it's pretty clean and tidy. Gonk (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Gibson Hall image change

I wasn't really pleased with the old image we had of Gibson Hall (the modern shot) because it was kind of hard to see the building as the photo was taken at a distance. Especially as it was one of the lead-in images to the article. I snapped a new shot of the building today which is higher resolution and a lot closer in to the building. HOWEVER, it isn't from the same angle as the 1904 shot right before it, which I always thought was kind of neat seeing the building from the same angle 100 years later. Despite this, I thought the image could be improved upon, and seeing the actual building is more important.

If there is a consensus to replace the new Gibson Hall image with the old one, that is fine. I do think the new shot looks better though and is still pretty cool to compare the 1901 image to. Gonk (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Great image resource

Alexey Sergeev, a physics professor, has licensed photographs at his web page (http://www.asergeev.com/) under the GFDL. A directory of these images are available here. A number of these images are related to this institution. I encourage interested editors to upload these images at Commons with the license tag Commons:Template:Alex Sergeev permission. --GrapedApe (talk) 01:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Tulane's dormitories

I have detailed information from Tulane on the dormitories as of the 1980s (construction dates, architects, namesakes, occupancy/capacity, etc.). If someone creates an article on the dormitories based on the current campus, I can contribute the details I have. A suggestion: use one of the articles in Category:University and college dormitories in the United States as a starting point. 67.101.6.20 (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Corrected school colors

The school colors are incorrect as listed in the article, the correct colors are Tulane Blue (Tulane Blue #224568, R=34, G=69, B=104) and Tulane Green (Tulane Green #00331A, R=0, G=51, B=26) as of today, May 8, 2012.