Talk:Tropic Thunder

Satan's Alley Not Medieval

To be anal for the heck of it:

Wiki page: "The final trailer, entitled Satan's Alley, features Kirk Lazarus and Tobey Maguire (cameoing as himself) as two gay medieval priests ..."

Faux Movie Site: "Award winner Kirk Lazarus paints another stark and moving portrait in his depiction of pastor Father O'Malley, the shamed priest who has committed the ultimate sin. Set against the backdrop of Eighteenth century Ireland, young O'Malley is banished from Belfast, after it is discovered that he has "Sinned the sin that dare not speak its name".

Three Amigos

shouldn't mention be made of this 1986 film which it largely ripped off? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

If there are no sources for that claim, no. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

there are a zillion sources for that "claim", incl the amigos ppl themselves moaning abt being ripped off.

i don't like the term "ripped off" -- perhaps we should take the high road and just label it a "loose remake"? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 19:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

"there are a zillion sources for that "claim"" . It's a simple request. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

"which claim"?! YOU'RE the one who ambiguously slapped it on there -- i just followed suit. nor does "it's a simple request" seem to APPLY to anything, semantically.

i GUESS u are asking me to PROVIDE a source? for the so-called "claim"?

ok, then, for a start: http://www.vulture.com/2008/08/tropic_thunder_a_three_amigos.html

i dunno how to get past the regwall -- u have to read it quickly!

excerpted a bit here: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/68307/15-infamous-facts-about-three-amigos

both seemingly sourced from: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/john-landis-interview/5495

but no longer up. where has google "cache" gone?!

brief mention here as well: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/three-amigos-reunion ~~

In case you haven't noticed, this is a featured article. Every statement in this page is backed-up by an independent secondary source or by facts from the film. You can't just come and request something to be added based upon allegations of being "largely [a] ripped off" version of another film according to "zillion sources". If anything, what most sources are doing is to compare Tropic Thunder with Three Amigos. Independently I found other sources comparing it to The Hard Way (1991 film) and Galaxy Quest as well. But that doesn't make it a ripoff. At most, the critical reception should have a paragraph saying that it was compared to all these films. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 22:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

yes, i'm willing to drop "ripoff". how abt "derivative of"?

they even play up this fact in the movie. background jokes about "el guapo" and even "amigos". 66.30.47.138 (talk) 23:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

We can't call it a copy—like Landis does—or a derivative film—at most we can say that "Three Amigos's director John Landis called it a "copy"—, articles are written with neutral points of view. "Film critics found similarities between the plot of Tropic Thunder and that of X, Y and Z." And after that, examples are provided. Wikipedia does not give an opinion on topics, people do. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

that's fine; i never meant to imply that WE had to assert it was plagiarism or w/e; just that we should include some of those sources which state as such.

also, the ORDER should be made clear in the quotes. saying that X Y and Z are similar is rather different than saying that X and Y are similar to Z which long predated them! no one ever accused ronnie mack of ripping off george harrison.... 66.30.47.138 (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)