Talk:Treat Myself/Archive 1

Archive 1

Release date

Warelistening, You're still yet to cite a source for there being another delay, meanwhile both iTunes and Target give the release date as January 25, 2019. Unless you provide a source citing a delay, I'll be adding the date again, and if you revert a third time without discussing then I'll be reporting you to admins.--NØ 05:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

MaranoFanI work at a record store and the pre-order for the album is not enabled yet, possibly due to the release date in question. there's no website to cite as the pre-order is not enabled anywhere. if you go to an actual record store, or ask sony distribution - they will tell you the same thing. there's no pre-order information for this title yet. target,itunes is outdated, as previously stated. you can't report someone for providing accurate information. thank you. also, other people are changing the dates also. are you gonna report them? no. stop picking only on me.

On Wikipedia, we are allowed to report people for edit warring, which is what you would be doing if you removed the release date a third time without discussing. Now on the issue itself, you concluding that the pre-order is not enabled because the album has been delayed is textbook definition Original research and is against Wikipedia rules. Unless you have a reliable source that clearly states that the album is delayed, please stop your original synthesis of the situation and removing the date reliably sourced by both Target and iTunes.--NØ 05:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

The field name in the infobox is 'released' rather than 'release date', and shows up to readers that way. Because Wikipedia doesn't predict the future, I commented it out. The comment code (<!-- and -->) should be removed and the date changed as necessary once the album has been released. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Shelved?

Um, so the album is gone from iTunes and "All the Ways" and the title track appear as standalone singles. Should we redirect this page until further information?--~~`~

• It is best to wait for an official announcement from either Trainor or her record label, but its seems like a sign of that. Aoba47 (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I just saw that AllAccess is still giving the release date as the 25th. If there's no statement from Trainor or Epic until then, we really should incubate this article to draft space until further information. (My guess is they will completely revamp the album with a new cover, track list, name and "Genetics" as the lead single but thats definitely WP:OR and just my opinion so it doesn't mean anything w.r.t. the course of action here).--NØ 07:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• I am not certain as I have not worked on an article that was in this position. I agree that the album will be most likely revamped completely and be promoted as separate from Treat Myself and its related songs, but only time can tell. It might be best to just let the article stay until some sort of official announcement is given. There is no rush. Aoba47 (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

If you do decide to either redirect this page or make it a draft, just make sure that information is merged into the main Meghan Trainor article. Aoba47 (talk) 21:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

There's nothing really substantial here which would merit inclusion on the Trainor article, and since the track list has disappeared from iTunes there is no confirmation that the singles will even be on the album. In case this is redirected there, I think one or two sentences about the delay will suffice.--NØ 11:46, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Album Will Most Likely Be Released on March 1 Three Days Before No's 3 Anniversary

Since the preorder disappeared from iTunes two Mondays ago the release date is still a mystery as what happened to what was supposed to be titled Digital Distortion by Iggy Azalea.

But on the bright side on Meghan's, the album may drop on March 1 three days before the 3rd anniversary of Thank You's leading single NO. Predicting the future for her music.

Night,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 02:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• That is all just speculation. Aoba47 (talk) 21:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok I just finished listening to this podcast and she pretty much confirmed that she has delayed it till pop music becomes popular again. Its definitely not getting scrapped. Although I still think this article should be incubated since there's no confirmed tracklist.--NØ 13:30, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

• That is an interesting reason for an album delay. To be frank, it is probably because none of the singles were that commercially successful, and the record label most likely delayed it due to that. I think that the decision to redirect the article makes sense, as any of the information can be accessed through the page history. Aoba47 (talk) 14:56, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

• Her official website still has it listed, even if there is no release date listed. Incubating an article in draftspace is just an opportunity for editors to push the draft aside so they can start an article afresh if the album is confirmed at a later date. Then any attempts at combining the draft or overwriting the mainspace page are denied as they are parallel histories. I have seen it happen countless times, so I will actively resist any attempts to do that here. Get consensus to redirect the article or draftify it, or there's WP:RFD to find what others think we should do with it. Ss112 15:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

I mean the album is by my favorite artist so I don't want to AfD it myself. (I'm ok with someone else doing it). But there's just nothing of substance here, really. I've very rarely seen articles be made for albums whose track listing hadn't been announced yet. Even if this isn't deleted we need to remove the tracklist though, since its no longer the same obviously. I'm fine with a "confirmed songs" section replacing it.-NØ 15:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok so this hasn't been reported on by a reliable source yet but she is probably turning it to an EP [1].--NØ 16:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

It's over

Meghan just replaced the Treat Myself cover with promotion for her new EP on facebook [2]. Officially nothing about the Treat Myself era is confirmed and the album appears to have been scrapped. Almost every song originally intended for Treat Myself is now on the Love Train EP. If anyone objects to me redirecting this article then I will be more than happy to nominate it for deletion. But this album title is no longer certain, the release year we're falsely providing is not confirmed, none of the songs and singles are confirmed to be on it so we need to delete this article and stop misguiding people about an album that is simply not happening anymore and Trainor and the record label have made it more than clear.--NØ 21:25, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Ss112 for comment as the person who reverted my redirect the last time, this stands no chance at AfD btw so that would be a waste of everyone's time.--NØ 21:49, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Then get consensus, because I think you're still relying on speculation that it's "simply not happening anymore and Trainor and the record label have made it more than clear". I disagree with deleting the article—that's not going to happen. Redirection is not technically deletion. Ss112 21:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'm assuming getting consensus means you're suggesting AfD, I'll do that.--NØ 21:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion of "All the Ways" as a single from this album

Courtesy ping Lil-unique1. It doesn't seem like "All the Ways" is promoted as a single from any edition of this album. As is seen in the first image here, "No Excuses", "Wave" and "Nice to Meet Ya" are clearly listed as the only three singles on the physical CDs. Even Target's website doesn't include "All the Ways" as a single. It was serviced to radio three days after the release of The Love Train, which makes it seem highly likely that it was only promoted as a single from that record. (For examples, see: "Sunflower" not counting as a single from Hollywood's Bleeding).--NØ 04:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: that image says "hit singles" and that's original research to say that it exclusively means all of the singles released are included. "All the Ways" was promoted during the album campaign for Treat Myself and is included on at least one version of the album. The Love Train EP was released to tide fans over as the album has been delayed. Ciara's Fantasy Ride album sticker mentioned "Tell Me What Your Name Is" as a single but that was never released (see here) so I don't think that is a reliable source/means of saying what was or wasn't a single. TMWYNI was even included on ALL versions of the album. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 12:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1:, The final press release from Trainor's label Epic Records also states "No Excuses", "Wave" and "Nice to Meet Ya" are the singles. The Billboard source you cited reported "All the Ways" as a single from the album in 2018, after which Trainor changed the tracklist four times over and decided not to include it on the standard edition. It was outdated, all recent press releases from her label reflect the change in plans. It is not original research. Billboard themselves referred to "Wave" as the second single from Treat Myself in a later article: [3].--NØ 13:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

There's also the following sources: she unveiled the Mike Sabath-assisted "Wave" as Treat Yourself's official second single, seemingly scrapping the songs that preceded it - Billboard, November 6 2019 and "Nice to Meet Ya" is the third single from Trainor's third studio album Treat Myself - Billboard, February 12 2020. Thus I am now removing "All the Ways" as a single since keeping it listed constitutes original research.--NØ 13:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Treat Myself/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 13:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
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Links

• Two links to forbes in refs - what makes this reliable for this topic? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
• Is the discogs External links suitable? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Prose

Lede

• Musically, Treat Myself was Trainor's attempt to create a pop record that feels relevant in an era when hip-hop reigns. - is this what she has said, or a point made by someone? I didn't realise hip-hop was all encompassing? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
• Treat Myself was released to mixed reviews from critics, with some of them thinking that it was worth the wait and others criticizing the lyrical content - probably need to reword "it was worth the wait". Perhaps that the quality was suitable for the delay, or otherwise. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

General

• No duplinks! Great job! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
• Trainor stated in a January 2020 interview that Treat Myself will be an attempt to make a pop record that feels relevant in an era when hip-hop reigns, adding that she had written four albums worth of material trying to adapt to new trends in the music industry - same as the lede, probably needs a quote here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
• The quotebox is a bit much. But, I can see why it's important to give a clarity as to how she got the name. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
• Trainor described the new version of Treat Myself as her attempt to adapt to "what's going on in the music industry", wanting to answer the question that "how do you make pop records that feel relevant in an era when hip-hop reigns?" this is mentioned twice in prose. Probably doesn't need to be in the background section at all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definitely not mandatory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
  • I'm going to go ahead and just pass this one. It's well referenced, with a couple minor issues described above. I'd look at confirming about forbes, but its not enough for me to chuck on hold. Good job. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot. I will surely try to return the favour should I get the time.--NØ 14:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Clearly meets the criteria. I don't quick pass articles very often! If you are interested in anything further, my opinions are above. Well done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 3 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: I see a consensus for 1 and 3 but not 2. The 2016 RfC as far as I can tell, established a consensus to allow partial dabs in cases where only one song has an article, but does not require this style to be used in every case. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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• Treat Myself → Treat Myself (album)
• Treat Myself (Victoria Justice song) → Treat Myself (song)
• Treat Myself (disambiguation) → Treat Myself

– No clear WP:PTOPIC. Moving DAB to root title would be better. As well, I formatted it the way I did so that there’s no extra disambiguation. The DAB page would be PTOPIC, then there would be "Treat Myself" (song) and Treat Myself (album) instead of (Victoria Justice song) or (Meghan Trainor album). D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 12:41, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support neither is clearly a primary topic. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 12:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - The Victoria Justice song did not chart anywhere and is on shaky grounds in terms of meeting WP:NSONGS at all, while the album has charted in several territories. Although pageviews do not indicate a clear primary topic, this can be attributed to WP:RECENTISM.--NØ 12:59, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I’m going to move my oppose out of the way due to the overwhelming support for this move. Hopefully my initial opinion wasn't too unduly influenced by being a Trainor fan but anyways.—NØ 03:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• Wait I was surprised but Elliot321 is correct https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Treat_Myself%7CTreat_Myself_(Victoria_Justice_song) for now. But again this is Recentism. Would also oppose move to (song) given that the song on the Stevie Wonder album is also well known. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
  • @In ictu oculi: Would it make sense to move to (song) and include a hatnote pointing to DAB? Examples of this include Cardigan (song) and Willow (song). D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 17:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support 1st and 3rd both the album and song are from 2020 so I recentism is an issue anyway and the album gets 3,265 compared with 2,492 for the song[[4]]. I'm not sure the 2nd is needed per WP:SONGDAB unless there are any other notable songs or any others have articles. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
  • @Crouch, Swale: To your point, SONGDAB says An RFC closed in June 2016 has established a consensus that further disambiguation is only required when multiple songs or albums of the same name have articles. Considering the VJ song is the only song with an article, I’m not sure why you’re opposed to this. Could you please explain? D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 14:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Oops, I though the 2nd move was moving from plain "song" to "Victoria Justice song" so I support all. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:17, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support 1 and 3. Any primary topic here is not clear (but there are 3 songs). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
  • @Shhhnotsoloud: Per WP:SONGDAB, further disambiguation is only required when there are multiple songs of the same title with articles. Sure, there are three songs, but there is only an article for one of those songs. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 14:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes, let's say I'm neutral, on 2. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support 1 and 3, oppose 2 as while they may not have articles the other two songs are both from albums which do, so it's IMO helpful to the reader to make it easy to find these articles too. Andrewa (talk) 01:35, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support all. Make sense per naming conventions. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 10:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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Treat Myself (album) → Treat Myself – "Treat Myself" (song) is averaging 21 daily pageviews, that's less than 5% of Treat Myself (album) which demonstrates a clear WP:PTOPIC. Also, the song is more recent than the album and they're both 2+ years old at this point so there is no recentism at play. The song did not chart anywhere and has not demonstrated any long-term significance. It is extremely unlikely its current barely-there article will grow more in the future. NØ 19:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support: The album does appear to be the primary topic over the song based on the page views. When I do a Google search of the term, I get a wide variety of results, but that is likely because this is a very common phrase. The page views is a compelling enough argument for me to support. Aoba47 (talk) 02:33, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 03:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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