Talk:Transition town

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Commented out a link. I left it commented in the hope that someone will use it to find the page if it still exists. I hope I am not violating any policy. Jergas (talk) 04:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No time now, but this article should clear up the huge list of US ning sites (maybe replace with a link to the main one). Also talk of what software people use on each site is not very relevant at the current size of this article. Ning has been central to it´s quick expansion, but is also used around the world: eg: transizione.ning.com, for italy, and various local sites in the UK. But transition towns network core people are planning new software to make available to entire movement, including local currency management, event management stuff etc. All this can be found from main transition network site and rob´s blog.

Also, critiques section: The Trapese Popular Education collective (http://www.trapese.org/) in the UK has published a critique entitled "the rocky road to transition", an overall positive assessment citing various issues with the perceived situation of the transition movement at that time(this took place before the transition training in 2008 took it far beyond it´s UK borders).

Criticisms included:

• demographic is too white middle class
• existing green movements not consulted leading to their alienation
• TTN is too centralised, and has visible leader, Rob Hopkins
• TT engages with the state and acts within rule of law, so seen as not able to accomplish change beyond a certain point.
• lack of direct action/confrontational techniques.

Rob Hopkins responded with a blog post, detailing responses to many of these critiques.

"Initially I would just like to say that its fantastic that these are debates getting out, and I would like to just reiterate that it is my belief that it is by bringing out the controversies, discussions and thorny issues of power that we will all collectively move forward on tackling climate change. My intent is not to ask people to be more like me, or any characterisation of the radical activist left but I’m also sure that we must also listen to the global movements struggling for justice around the world and the global south in particular." Alice Cutler, Trapese Collective

http://transitionculture.org/2008/05/15/the-rocky-road-to-a-real-transition-by-paul-chatterton-and-alice-cutler-a-review/

any questions - contact Ale at webteam@transitionbristol.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.216.128 (talk) 21:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

And Secession

Someone just added this to Leopold Kohr as a see also. Since he was into radical decentalization to independent communities, including through secession, checked it out and found a few just barely WP:RS references from Vermont Secessionists about this. Don't have time right now to look for even better ones, but needs to go in there in some form if true. CarolMooreDC 13:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Article name and focus

Following the WP:TITLE guidelines, I wonder if this article should be (re)named to Transition town: initial cap only, singular form. Thoughts? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 09:59, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Re-reading the article, it seems that the focus is not clear. What is its primary focus?

• Transition town - the concept?
• Transition town movement - the broader movement?
• Transition Network - a formal organization or quasi-organization?

Once there is consensus about the primary focus of this article, it would be easier to identify the most appropriate name for it. Thanks in advance for your thoughts & clarification. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:31, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

An additional option occurs to me: renaming this article to Transition Towns (network). I think this would be clearer for the current article content. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Writing from a 'transition island', I wonder if the intention is Transition initiatives, which is the generic name for all local, er, initiatives as recommended and approved by the Transition Network. These include regional and national hubs as well as towns, villages, islands and so on. On the other hand, per WP:COMMONNAME, I have to say that more people seem to know what I'm talking about if I say Transition Town, than if I use any of the more technically correct terms here. --Nigelj (talk) 17:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

'Being bold', giving it a try with the more precise 'Transition Towns (network)'. This leaves space for future development of a separate Transition town article. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

@Nigelj and DASonnenfeld:I think the article could include all three concepts. If a section gets too large then it can be broken off on its own. The most likely candidate for a separate article is Transition Network - this is the body that gives Initiatives 'official' status and publishes the literature. Regarding the name it probably should be 'Transition initiative'. This can cover un/official initiatives and the broader movement. A note can be added that many people know the movement as Transition Towns (especially at the start).Jonpatterns (talk) 12:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Jonpatterns, for your edits. I like where you're going with this. If other editors watching this page agree, with these changes I would suggest requesting that the article be moved to Transition town. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 19:58, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Peacock terms removed

@Happyelephant: welcome to Wikipedia. I have rewritten some sections to remove peacock terms, where you suggested. Some of the suggestions I didn't agree with, for example 'training' isn't a peacock term. Please comment here before re-tagging the same words to avoid an edit war. Also, be bold and edit sentences where you can make them more encyclopedic.Jonpatterns (talk) 16:23, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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Transition Towns (network) → Transition town – More accurately reflects content of article. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 09:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment. Please see related discussion above. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 15:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support seems sensible. Number 57 12:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Transition Towns never required disambiguation. This is a generic term, not a proper name. Per WP:PLURAL, In general, Wikipedia articles have singular titles. – Wbm1058 (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Energy descent action plan (EDAP)- rewrite

This section seems to contradict itself. EDAP is introduced as a key concept. But the last sentence seems to indicate it is a 'recent' 'definition' of the concept Transition towns.Jonpatterns (talk) 11:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

“ A key concept within transition is that communities design a plan to create less dependency on fossil fuels. The term "community" in this context includes all the key players - local people, local institutions, local agencies and the local council. With a website devoted to the plan and the publication of Totnes' Energy Descent Action Plan (EDAP), the definition of the concept of transition towns has recently seen a significant development. ”

That last sentence is problematic; the "website devoted to the plan" no longer exists, "recently" might have been true in 2010[1] but not now, and the reference for that sentence with its claim of significance is the disappeared totnesedap.org.uk website, which never could count as a reliable source. NebY (talk) 11:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done Jonpatterns (talk) 18:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Assessment/Evaluation

Have any been carried out? What are their conclusions? Pelarmian (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pelarmian: I assume you mean assessment of the effectiveness of the Transition 'movement'? I believe some research has been done, did you try searching academic papers? Jonpatterns (talk) 13:10, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Removed Baroon Dollar

I've removed "In 2009, Maleny Australia, the Baroon Dollar as a part of a regional transition towns project." Transition wasn't mentioned in the ref1 and in looks like it didn't launch according to SC Daily. Jonpatterns (talk) 13:10, 19 November 2019 (UTC)