Talk:Together for Yes

other organisations' funding

The current version has a section on "Funding" and includes details on Amenesty International, and the NWCI. It was added by Laurel Lodged here. I don't think this should be included in this article, which should be about the Together for Yes organisation. The original wording was a little non-neutral ("revealed the funding"). This article is not about what Amnesty or ARC is doing. Those orgs have their own articles. So I don't think it's relevant here. What do yous think? ____Ebelular (talk) 09:08, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, and good point. The point of Amnesty's expected spend can be added here and NWCI here. (I didn't even know NWCI had a page tbh) Let's keep this page limited to TFY --Avitus27 (talk) 10:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

How is not about what Amnesty and ARC are doing? They are integral parts of TFY. There is no TFY without them. It's just an umbrella group around which groups like Amnesty and ARC cluster. By all means, add the citations to the other groups as well if liked. By the way, who made the second contribution above? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

We are not privy to the inner workings of TFY. Amnesty and ARC are responsible for their own spends, which may or may not be related to any spend they may make towards TFY, and their articles are the proper place to include that information. "Spending" is not "funding". Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Looking at TFY's own website, I'm seeing no reference to Amnesty. I'm also afraid you may be conflating ARC and NWCI? Apologies for not signing my above post, fixed now --Avitus27 (talk) 10:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you saying that Amnesty can be part of TFY but not contribute to its funds? Is this a credible position? What meaningful contribution can Amnesty make other than its name if not its money? Would you have us believe that Amnesty spends that money under its own name and has another separate fund for what it gives to TFY? That's just not credible. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Again, I'm seeing no evidence of Amnesty contributing to TFY. Please present a source for this and it will be considered for inclusion. --Avitus27 (talk) 11:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

They are integral parts of TFY. There is no TFY without them. I don't think this is true. There are many groups part of TFY, like the Coalition to Repeal the 8th and the Irish Family Planning Association. I haven't seen any evidence that TFY is merely a shadow group for Amnesty & ARC. And most importantly these organisations have their own wikipedia articles. ____Ebelular (talk) 11:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

OK so I was exaggerating for emphasis. They're still integral parts of TFY. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Think of it like the EU. The EU has no money of its own. It gets money from Ireland and the other 27 countries of the EU. It is relevant to say in an EU article that "Ireland contributes €150m to the EU budget". Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

As I stated above, could you provide a source for this please? --Avitus27 (talk) 11:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Sources for all of it, please - you seem much more au fait with the inner workings of TFY and Amnesty than any of us! Can you also decide on whether you are talking about funding or spending? I'm a little wary of NPOV concerns, here, to be honest. An organisation literally set up a month ago, being asked then how much it's going to spend on a campaign, at a time when it was still setting up and had no fundraising in place, and declining to answer how much it was hoping to spend, is hardly any sort of conspiracy. But that's how it was originally presented. Likewise the liberal use of "scare quotes" and slapping on of a 'cn' tag on the sentence about crowdfunding.... It's almost like someone has an agenda. Maybe we could just replace the section with a single sentence: "Funded entirely by George Soros", sourced to theliberal... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

My CN wasn't just a slap on the end of an edit. I know that fundraising campaign existed, and I know how well it did. I don't have access to a lot of news sites where I am at the moment and was requesting a source for a statement. Please keep WP:AGF in mind.

Again, I agree with you on requesting a source for the amnesty/TFY link. I've never heard of it until now. --Avitus27 (talk) 13:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Fine. A nationwide campaign can be financed by a few generous souls and a pinch of pixie dust. Have it your way. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Thousands upon thousands of generous souls. Buying badges and t-shirts, running 5ks, going to pub quizzes. In exactly the same way as the PLC claim to be raising their funds. Your point? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 20:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)