Talk:Theridion grallator

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 September 2020 and 17 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Cjing99. Peer reviewers: M.s.w.lee, Delanieludmir, Dyklee.

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Edit Request for "The binomial grallator" in the third sentence of the article.

"grallator" in itself is not a binomial. It is a specific epithet. I'm changing this. I don't know if there is an article specifically about specific epithets, but if there is, anyone is welcome to link to it. I wish people who have no taxonomic training would stop providing false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.232.84 (talk) 06:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I changed this so it still includes the link to "binomial", but removes the false information about "grallator" being a binomial in and of itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.232.84 (talk) 06:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Behavioral Ecology Student Suggestions

M.s.w.lee (talk) 00:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC) I added an enemies section. I thought the article was written very well and had great sources. I thought the structure followed the spider article outline.

This is a very well researched article and I especially liked the detail about color morphs, female-male interactions, and parental care. I added a video to show the diversity in the appearance of T. grallator in its natural environment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPoZgzmdNWw&ab_channel=Wiki4All). In addition, I compiled more information about the colonization history of this species (evolution section) and also the patterns of the carapace and abdomens of the spiders (genetic factors underlying color morphs section). Prernask (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Behavioral Ecology student review

Overall, this article was very well-written, well-cited, and had sufficient images. I edited mainly for minor errors in grammar and sentence structure. Additionally, I added in quite a few hyperlinks to make the article more accessible to readers, e.g. in the Description section. Good job! SlyFox52 (talk) 20:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Hawaiian Happy-Face Spider can change color based on its diet? Gillespie, Rosemary G. (1989). "Diet-Induced Color Change in the Hawaiian Happy-Face Spider Theridion grallator, (Araneae, Theridiidae)". The Journal of Arachnology. 17 (2): 171–177. ISSN 0161-8202

5x expanded by Cjing99 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC).

• Starting Review --Kevmin § 04:30, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Cjing99: Article expansion new enough, but not quite long enough. The 19 Sept 2020 version is 2576 characters, so the current version should be at least 12,880 characters to qualify as a 5x expansion, but by my count it is at 12052 currently. Also the article is a little heading heavy at the moment, the subheadings for the one sentence sections could be left off for now, and added if the sections get longer.--Kevmin § 20:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Kevmin: I just expanded my article and removed some of the subheadings. Let me know if there is anything else I need to do!--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjing99 (talk • contribs)

• @Cjing99: Looking good so far, just a quick thing, the last paragraph of the article is not cited/sourced, and a number of paragraphs have sentences at the ends that are not sourced to the any of the references in the paragraphs or articles. If they are part of the reference before them the ref should be moved to accommodate them, and if they are from a different source, they should be cited as such. --Kevmin § 18:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Article expansion now long enough, all paragraphs are referenced, hook is cited and sourced, with off line sources taken AGF. No policy issues identified in the article. looks good to go.--Kevmin § 20:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this. The insect is very hard to see, green on green, at thumbnail size, so this won't run with an image. Why don't you add hook interest by calling it by its common name? That would certainly draw clicks. Yoninah (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Thank you for the suggestion! I removed the photo and edited the hook to include the common name instead. Let me know if this looks alright. Cjing99

Behavioral Ecology Peer Review

I have edited the article for grammatical errors and checked for possible syntax errors. I relocated the image that was towards the end of the article to next to "Color morph" as it seemed more relevant. I added two additional images to better showcase the "happy face" pattern of the spider and give an example of a possible habitat (Clermontia arborescens). Overall, this is a very informative article with clear writing. Dyklee (talk) 20:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Behavioral Ecology Peer Review

Crystal’s Wikipedia page for Theridio grallato was extremely thorough and informative. In addition, she included many interesting headers that gives readers a clear depiction of the spider’s behavior. Since the Wikipedia page was so thorough and well-written, the two biggest changes I made were removing some phrasing that made sentences sound subjective, such as the word “likely” and phrase “it is believed”. In addition, I added a subheader to make a section shorter. The sub-heading I added was “genetic factors underlying color morphs”, which divided up the color morphs section. ~~

delanieludmir (talk) 22:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Theridion grallator/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: RoySmith (talk · contribs) 16:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm starting this review. My plan is to do two major passes through the article, first for prose, the second to verify the references. In general, all my comments will be suggestions which you can accept or reject as you see fit. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

RoySmith, Thank you for your suggestions. I just went through them. Let me know what you think. -- Cjing99 (talk) 10:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Cjing99, Thank you. I'm going to mark this as having passed the GA review. Thank you for writing this; it's a very nice piece of work and an important addition to the encyclopedia. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Prose

• Some of the lead does not summarize material in the main body. "Its Hawaiian name is nananana makakiʻi", "The specific epithet grallator is Latin for "stilt walker""

• "a spider in the family Theridiidae that resides on the Hawaiian Islands." I think you want "which resides" (https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/grammar/that_vs_which.html).

  Just passing by. Wanted to say that this is a restrictive clause, so "that resides" is correct. This might be easier to see if we consider a simplified version of the sentence: "Theridion grallator ... is a spider that resides on the Hawaiian islands" (vs. "Theridion grallator ... is a spider, which resides on the Hawaiian islands").

  Changing this to a non-restrictive clause would require the introduction of a comma before "which", and the sentence would then imply that the whole family (not just this spider) is restricted to the Hawaiian islands. And that's not true, according to the family article. Armadillopteryx 17:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, I stand corrected. Thank you. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• "In addition to the variety of color polymorphisms present in T. grallator, this spider also demonstrates the interesting quality of diet-induced color change..." Maybe rewrite as "In addition to a variety of color polymorphisms, T. grallator demonstrates diet-induced color change..." I think it reads better, and leaves out the editorializing about which qualities are interesting.

• "small spider with a body size less than 5 millimeters long", If this information is available in a WP:RS, include the overall length, including the legs.

• "resembling a smiley face", I'd make all of "smiley face" the linked text.

• "Each spider has a unique pattern", I could be missing something, but all I see in the cited reference is, "the amount and pattern of pigment varies greatly among individuals". That's not quite the same as every individual is unique. In fact, if "Some lack abdominal markings altogether", then all those lacking any markings at all are clearly not unique.

• Link "polymorphism" the first time it's used, although I'm not sure which of the various articles listed under Polymorphism#Biology is the right one.

• Link "dominant" to Dominance (genetics) the first time it's used.

• Link "allele".

• Be consistent in how you spell "Hawaii" (mostly you use "Hawai’i", but in one place I spotted it without the apostrophe).

• "T. grallator lives beneath the leaves of plants, where they spin a much reduced web.". Reduced compared to what? This could also be combined with the next sentence, i.e. "T. grallator lives beneath the leaves of plants, where they spin a much reduced two-dimensional web."

• "It is usually found on the underside of the leaf", clarify that "it" refers to the web, not the spider.

• "T. grallator spiders tightly cling on to underside of leaves" -> "cling to the undersides"

• "turn around rapidly and toss its silk onto the prey to unravel it." I don't understand what this is saying. What is getting unraveled? The web? The prey?

• Link to Olfaction the first time it is used.

• "somatic movements and web-plucking." somatic should link to something, not sure what. Somatic cell, maybe?

• "Because T. grallator belongs to a family of spiders with very low levels of visual acuity.", was this intended to be connected to the next sentence?

• " notably aggressive against intruders right after the birth of her young," is "birth" the right word here? "Hatching", perhaps?

That does it for my first pass. I'll come back, probably tomorrow, and pick this up.

References

• http://wehewehe.org/ reference needs full citation. Also, when you use it in the lead, you translate "nananana makakiʻi" as "face-patterned spider", but the dictionary calls it "Happy face spider". I'm also not sure if this qualifies as a WP:RS, as it's unclear how much editorial oversight there is.

• You cite this paper via JSTOR, which unfortunately doesn't provide the full text. However, it's available here, so please link to that. Sadly, I can't find a DOI for it.

• "Guanine as a colorant in spiders: development, genetics, phylogenetics and ecology" is available full-text on ResearchGate, so link to that.

• General comment: please make a run through each of your citations to peer-reviewed literature which don't have DOIs or links to full-text versions on line and see if you can locate those. Copy-pasting the title into google (surrounded by quotes) is often constructive.
  • Just to clarify, Research Gate isn't considered a WP:RS per-se, but as long as you have a full citation to the original peer-reviewed publication, adding an additional RG link for the full text is useful if the full text isn't otherwise available.

Other than the above comments, no issues with WP:V.

Other criteria

No problems with breadth of coverage, neutrality, stability, or illustrations.