Talk:The Ultimate Fighter: Team Nogueira vs. Team Mir

Tournament Bracket

It's standard practice on TUF articles to not add a bracket until after semi-finals are set (thus we can deduce an accurate bracket, and for good reason:

• adding brackets implies matchups that may not necessarily occur. Either you're posting uncitable spoilers or are using a crystal ball... or just plain misusing a bracket.
• Any work saved will easily cost more work down the line when we have to rearrange all the names to show the proper succession of winners. If you're really worried about work being lost, well, that's why the bracket is commented out and not deleted.

--TreyGeek (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding exhibition fights to records

Tonight I'm going to add fights from the show into fighter records (those with wiki pages) into respective record tables as reported by the NSAC. This is a new thing, obviously, but I feel that in the name of the Wikimedia Foundation's mission, this is an appropriate addition. Input welcome. --Piranesi2007 (talk) 00:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

OK by me, but take it up on WT:MMA if anyone object. --aktsu ^(t / c) 00:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Generally, fighter's records on their pages are for professional/sanctioned matches. Except for The Ultimate Fighter Finale, matches on TUF are exhibition matches (and in your PDF are listed as such) and therefore are not normally added to a fighter's article. As an addition to that, the matches listed on a fighter's article are usually taken straight from sherdog.com. --TreyGeek (talk) 00:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Not even when they are listed as exhibition matches, such as Piranesi2007 did here? I can see how it's useful so one doesn't have to look through a wall of text to find out who they fought in the house. --aktsu ^(t / c) 00:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks interesting initially. It would be a call by WT:MMA. Without thinking it through there are some drawbacks: Do we list exhibition matches for all fighters? If so, how do we verify the matches occurred as not all exhibition matches can be found is such a source as listed above. If not, what determines whose exhibition matches get listed? Finally, for those fighters who have a lot of exhibition matches, would they clutter up the fight record too much? Again, this is really something that should be brought to WP:MMA as Aktsu has suggested. --TreyGeek (talk) 01:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Before it gets brought through to WT:MMA, I would like to offer this up; a) Bouts billed as "exhibitions" are often officially either professional or amateur bouts, sanctioned as such also. In the case of The Ultimate Fighter, fights are classified as exhibitions as allotted by the NSAC as opposed to professional bouts so that the commission doesn't have to release results publicly.

b) As to ALL exhibitions being listed, my platform would be for this idea, but it should be noted that historical exhibitions, for the most part, were too low-scale and irrelevant to be, once again -- for the most part, referenced in anyone's wikipedia page (as outlined by the general relevance rules). Actually, the only one I can really think of was Rumina Sato vs Mach Sakurai, which was a pretty blatant work.

But anyway, this is one for WT:MMA. --Piranesi2007 (talk) 02:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC)